Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriele Bonci

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The result was keep. Improvements made to this article over the last week have led to a consensus to Keep it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriele Bonci

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a chef, not properly referenced as passing our notability criteria for chefs. The notability claim here is that he had a TV show, which is not an automatic free pass in the absence of adequate sourcing, but the only reference cited here at all is Netflix rather than third-party analytical coverage of his significance -- and other than "his TV show existed", the article otherwise consists entirely of biographical trivia with no bearing on his notability at all, as gleaned from Netflix rather than third-party coverage.
Further, this was moved within the past 24 hours from sandbox to mainspace with the edit summary "There are just so many sources out there that I'm not going to worry about this one", but that's not how this works -- not every web page that might happen to have his name in it is necessarily a notability-building source, so just saying that there are lots of sources out there isn't an exemption from actually having to cite any of them to prove that he passes GNG.
No objection to returning this to sandbox, and obviously this is without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when it's written and sourced better than this -- but in this form, it's not at all ready for prime time. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Food and drink, and Italy. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep He's opening restaurants in the USA and wrote a book [1] and [2]. Seems to just be at GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy: GNG aside, writing a BLP this long without independent sources is a brightline BLP violation that should be taken out of mainspace. If the sources turn up for a GNG pass, and they're implemented, it can come back. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC) strike per improvements to the article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I placed this in article space because I believe it's quite likely there are multiple sources in Italian, and having it visible makes it more likely Italian-speakers will see it. He wouldn't have been featured on Chef's Table if he didn't have a plausible claim to notability; literally every chef from an English-speaking country about whom there's a Chef's Table episode has proven to be notable. I think this is a systemic bias thing. Valereee (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- i would agree in a lot of cases, but I tend to ditch "there is no deadline"-style thinking when BLP gets involved. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:16, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, at any rate, I've added some sources. Still hoping someone will find some Italian ones, as I think those are really what's needed for an article on someone whose primary notability is within Italy. I kind of hate that what we have here is an English-speakers' view of an Italian. It feels really not ideal. Valereee (talk) 21:52, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- All right, striking my original vote. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep independent, international sources likr the Washington Post amd Chicgo Trib. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BostonMensa (talk • contribs)
Keep: Aside from what has been mentioned above the subject was on Netflix. Netflix is available in over 190 countries. According to Rotten Tomatoes the show "profiles the most renowned chefs in the world." This source on Chef's Table states "...series delving into the lives of acclaimed chefs from around the world." Who are we to argue with that? -- Otr500 (talk) 07:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep appears adequately notable due to coverage in diverse sources that is more than a mere mention of his name. —DIYeditor (talk) 23:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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