Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dunneville, California

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. UtherSRG (talk) 17:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dunneville, California

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Contested PROD. This is an interesting one: The site is actually a restaurant-bar: [1]; it was once a rural saloon that became informally known as Dunneville because of a local rancher, James Dunne, who was a regular there ([2]). Later a Dunneville Estates housing development was built nearby (Ref. 2 in the article). So we have a stub article because GNIS somehow picked up an in-joke about an alcoholic farmer who spent his days at a local tavern. Neither restaurants nor housing developments are inherently notable per WP:GEOLAND, and therefore WP:GNG applies. I would argue this article does not reach that bar, as the few references I can find are about the restaurant and not the "community". This is just a rural intersection with an old bar, a new housing development just to the north, and what looks like a wood chip yard (see satellite image of the coordinates). Not notable. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and California. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Ironically, following up on that newspaper article tells us that the Dunne ranch is hugely notable. Amusingly, I might also have got there by following up on Viola Dunne via the usual Arcadia Publishing book route. Uncle G (talk) 10:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - notable historic crossroads and stage station and meeting place in an otherwise rural area; indigenous village in vicinity etc. jengod (talk) 17:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• MoveDelete - Dunneville, California clearly never existed, move article to Dunneville Ranch or similar, or merge if such article exists. The bar can become a section of the this newly titled article. The existing article is about a nonnotable, never existing place and WP:GNG is clear that these must be deleted or merged. James.folsom (talk) 02:08, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Well-sourced article about a former place on the map. Appears to pass GNG and I don't see any reason to delete this well-written article. SportingFlyer T·C 02:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• delete It's not clear where the name really comes from but it's reasonably clear that there was no settlement here by this or another name. If there is felt to be a need to have an article on the ranch, it can be created on its own. Mangoe (talk) 05:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: per article improvement. WP:PRIMARY may still be an issue. बिनोद थारू (talk) 05:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. It's hard to see any consensus right now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - There has been a great deal of improvements since this article was nominated. It's been turned into a fairly substantive sourced article now. Nothing like it was when this nomination started. Looks really good now. — Maile (talk) 03:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.