Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billy Coskun

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. Apart from any notability issues, the refs are all links to sales sites, the author is socking here, and there is an obvious undisclosed COI, a breach of our terms Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:20, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Coskun

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This subject came up with the "quantum sound engine", an Android app and a non-notable theory. I am only able to find trivial or non-independent coverage - nothing that meets WP:GNG or other relevant notability guidelines. A BLP-PROD was removed after the editor added refs to the Google Play Store and Amazon Kindle Books. EricEnfermero (Talk) 08:33, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be deleted, because links provided to the references made in the article are from reliable sources such as Amazon Kindle books, Google Play Android App Store and YouTube music videos. Customers who bought Billy Coskun's apps and books and heard his compositions are searching on Wikipedia to find more about him. I'm planning to expand this article in the future by elaborating the book Billy Coskun has written. Antonyroman 27 October 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonyroman (talk • contribs) 09:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Mentions in self-published apps and books aren't sufficient to establish notability. There's also some sort of fringe thing going on here... -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 15:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as I see no obvious better improvement. SwisterTwister talk 05:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is a big logical mistake being made here. To discuss if the article about Billy Coskun should be deleted or not is meaningless, because he is the first person in history to discover "The Elastic Clock Synchronization in the Brain" and he already published a book about his discovery. If you Google the subject, only Billy Coskun's name comes up. Which means no one else discovered it before. The links to his book, his apps and his music are provided because it was asked by the Wikipedia editors. The references provided don't add to or take away from the fact that Billy Coskun used his knowledge and experience as a musician/composer and confidently wrote about the subject. The title/sub-title of his book "Quantum Entangled Mind States: The phenomenon of elastic clock synchronization in the brain" is on Amazon best sellers list regularly. Today I checked and it's at #77 in Physics of Time [1] and his app QONOS Quantum Audio Engine is at #34 in the best sellers list [2] This means Billy Coskun is popular among readers and app buyers. But as I mentioned earlier, we are not qualified to discuss a discovery. Nobody is! Can you discuss e=mc2? No! Einstein discovered it and it was proven. Billy Coskun's discovery is self-proven because, inter aural pitch difference (Diplacusis) is a well established scientific fact. Being a music composer, Billy Coskun is the first person in history to discover that inter aural pitch difference occurs because of tempo (frequency) changes caused by the different clock-rates created in the ears, and they are synchronized, otherwise time dilation would occur in the brain! Deleting the article at this point would be doing an injustice to scientific progress. Because, scholars who will read the articles about Billy Coskun and Diplacusis will now know how to explain this phenomena and it will definitely lead to new discovery and advances on the subject and other related subjects such as physics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonyroman (talk • contribs) 09:10, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with you that WP would not be qualified to publish original research, because that isn't the purpose of an encyclopedia - and that's the very problem with this WP entry. We do discuss mass-energy equivalence and other complex scientific concepts, but we can do that because we base WP articles off of independent, reliable sources. There are no such sources for this article. Once a couple of reliable academic journals or even major magazines (like say Scientific American) begin to write about this individual or his theory in depth, he'll be in a better place to meet our notability guidelines. EricEnfermero (Talk) 18:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I think Antonyroman has a valid point. A discovery is a discovery. A book has been published on the subject and read by many people. Why do we need Scientific American? For people who don't live in the USA, an American Publication is useless. After all, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for the people by the people. Am I wrong? AlexBorghei
  • Keep I checked the links provided by Antonyroman, the book and the apps are on the best seller list alright. Amazon is the biggest online retailer. That is notability right there considering the fact that there are millions of authors and app developers who would thrive to be on the best sellers list in their product cathegory. As I see it, Billy Coskun is a succesfull creative professional his chosen fields. I think it would be an injustice if this article is deleted without a valid ground. 10/30/2015 SercanParmak
    Despite appearances, AfD isn't actually a vote, and creating accounts for the purpose of adding +Keeps doesn't actually help your case and is against policy. Please, read over those links I posted in my last comment. Also, you can sign posts by adding ~~~~ to the end of your post. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some reason I'm sensing prejudice and even jealousy here. There are probably thousands of articles on WP which shouldn't be here. Most notorious examples are : Schrödinger's cat thought experiment (it's animal cruelty, man!) and D-Wave quantum computer. You know it costs 10 million USD to actually buy the D-Wave, so nobody can see what it does. It was never confirmed that it's a quantum computer. On the other hand, people are buying Billy Coskun's quantum product and making it a best seller. I didn't come across a negative comment anywhere, which means that customers are happy. You can check and see that both the book and the quantum apps are still on the best sellers list today (Amazon updates them daily). So, ask yourself these questions: What does WP gain from deleting this article? Are we ignoring the valid and reputable links provided to support the information written in the article? You know if you approach these questions without prejudice, you will have to keep the article.
  • Delete I can't find evidence of a hard copy, but the digital book is self-published through Amazon. He also appears to create games that are sold through app stores, but I didn't find any reviews of them. (Apps are, in a sense, self-published.) LaMona (talk) 22:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep All apps are published through app stores. It's the nature of the business. You enter an exclusive partnership deal with the app stores, they take 30% from your app sales as their commission. The app stores also have extensive testing procedure before approving the app in question for sale. They don't approve any app. The app has to deliver exactly what's written in the app description. So, for example you (if you have the knowledge) can't just create an app an self-publish it in an app store. If you sell on your personal website then it's self-published. But if you sell on Google Play Store, Samsung Galaxy Appstore or Amazon Appstore, it's selling your product in an online store and it's not self-publishing. By the way Billy Coskun's apps are not games, they are quantum audio engine apps. Therefore, they are the world's first mass-market quantum products as clearly mentioned in the article and the quantum apps were tested, approved and certified by the expert personnel at the app testing departments of giant electronics and software companies such as Samsung, Google (they wrote the Android OS and hold the license) and Amazon App Developers. This is in fact proof that Billy Coskun's Android apps are the world's first mass-market quantum products, as certified by the experts. If you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't post comments.
  • Delete - clearly does not meet our notability criteria, as per searches. Onel5969 TT me 13:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your searches don't qualify. The links are valid. On which planet do you live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonyroman (talk • contribs) 14:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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