Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angad Pratap
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Indian Human Spaceflight Programme. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 08:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Angad Pratap
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Fails GNG and I believe this is a case of WP:BLP1E. The event is yet to happen, so I don't see the need for having an article this early on, WP:FUTURE. WP:ATD-R: Can be redirected to Indian Human Spaceflight Programme. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason as above:
- Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 11:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Science, Astronomy, and India. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. - Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hate that hedgehog!) 13:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – Everyone mentioned here has received significant coverage. So the articles passed the GNG policy.
- Indian Human Spaceflight Programme, which is currently an ongoing event. The goal of the event is to send humans into space; mentioned persons are the most important part of the event. Condition No. 3 mentioned in WP:BLP1E is not fulfilled. As a result, the policy does not apply to articles. – খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 05:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- খাঁ শুভেন্দু: It would be great if you could mention three independent sources that address the topic directly and in detail without pertaining to one event. If not, it does not meet GNG.
The goal of the event is to send humans into space;
It has yet to happen and is already covered in Indian Human Spaceflight Programme.Mentioned persons are the most important part of the event.
I believe they will become notable once they successfully reach space, not before. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- খাঁ শুভেন্দু: It would be great if you could mention three independent sources that address the topic directly and in detail without pertaining to one event. If not, it does not meet GNG.
- Indian Human Spaceflight Programme, which is currently an ongoing event. The goal of the event is to send humans into space; mentioned persons are the most important part of the event. Condition No. 3 mentioned in WP:BLP1E is not fulfilled. As a result, the policy does not apply to articles. – খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 05:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
―খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)"Angad Pratap" "Ajit Krishnan" "Shubhanshu Shukla" "Prasanth Nair" Google (all dates) 65,500 1,43,000 2,61,000 87,500 Google News (all dates) 1,850 3,670 2,010 3,050
- I doubt any editor would skim through the 65,000 to 261,000 Google hits unless you provide the WP:THREE here. If we need to go by the search hits, we'll have articles for people/companies who are nowhere near to being notable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Some news coverage centered around Prashant Nair–
- Kerala celebrates as local son Prasanth Balakrishnan Nair gears up for Gaganyaan space mission - The Telegraph.
- Prasanth’s village Nemmara erupts in joy - The Times of India.
- Astronaut pick from Kerala’s Palakkad is son of engineer; Malayalam actress Lena says they married earlier this month - The Indian Express.
- Gaganyaan: Neighbours, friends excited about Group Captain Prasanth's achievement - Deccan Herald.
- Astronaut-designate Prashant Nair brings cheer to his native Nenmara - The Hindu.
- -- খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 04:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am surprised that you have autopatrolled and still share five sources, all posted between 27th Feb, 2024 and 29th Feb 2024, which were published after the announcement of his selection. Two of those are reposts from PTI. All these sources count as one and still does not have WP:SIGCOV. If I am right, this falls under routine coverage. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is only natural that an astronaut will receive media coverage as soon as his name is announced. Anyway, your point is - only if they successfully reach space will they become significant.
- Most of the newspapers and news media in different Indian languages have got coverage, according to you it is routine coverage. However articles may be removed, but those articles will be recreated after the spaceflight as they gain notability (people).
- Well, Alexander Grebenkin- the article was written last year. On March 4, 2024, Alexander Grebenkin set off for space (SpaceX Crew-8). The article has remained unopposed for so long. Was the person notable for any reason other than being an astronaut candidate? As backup crew (SpaceX Crew-7) only? --খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 03:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- My point is, they are notable when they pass one of the basic criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (people). Yes, most of the newspapers and news media in different Indian languages have covered them, but they all pertain to a
single event
. He may become notable in the future but that's a discussion for another day WP:ATA#CRYSTAL. - WP:OTHERSTUFF: You can always start an XfD for Alexander Grebenkin. It has no relevance here. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I have presented the article (Alexander Grebenkin) here as an example only. Nothing more.
- However, All articles should be taken into account in following the strict policy. Hopefully it will be equal in all respects, which is the main path (neutrality) of the Wikipedia movement; the policy will not be relaxed in certain areas or regions. -- খাঁ শুভেন্দু (talk) 09:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that we also should think about past deletion discussions/precedent: in 2017, it was attempted to delete the Group 22 NASA astronauts articles under the same argument ("they will only become relevant once they perform their spaceflight"). In the end, there were no consensus to delete/redirect everything, and one user, @Carrite:, said that the deletion request should be created only for individual issues with each article. @SoWhy:, since you closed the past discussion, what do you think about the current case? Erick Soares3 (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Erick Soares3: (pinged) I closed the previous case based on the consensus in that case. This has no bearing on the consensus on this case (cf. WP:WHATABOUTX). That said, the nominator themselves correctly pointed out that per WP:ATD-R, redirecting is the better alternative to outright deletion. Regards SoWhy 18:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- My point is: that case had no consensus to either delete nor redirect the pages (as you said when closing it) and the past Wikipedia examples shows that an astronaut/candidate don't need to fly to have an article (like Jeanette Epps, who had her page created in 2009). The pages may have other issues, but the lack of spaceflight experiences of the crewmembers isn't one of them, as the way the Wiki Community understood the past cases shows. Erick Soares3 (talk) 21:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- And is not the case of "Other stuff exists", but the consistence on how the community have been treating similar cases (there are examples who retired without ever flying with articles). Erick Soares3 (talk) 21:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Erick Soares3: The nomination begins with "Fails GNG..", which is the main issue here. I mentioned WP:BLP1E as an additional criteria for deletion due to the surge in poor-quality articles once the announcement was made. Past Wikipedia deletion discussions don't necessarily represent community-wide consensus especially when they state "no consensus". Bringing up cases like Alexander Grebenkin and Jeanette Epps is what WP:WHATABOUTX asks editors to avoid. Unless a community-wide consensus has been formed elsewhere or a proposal has been passed, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angad Pratap should be treated separately. W.r.t the multiple nominations, I did a WP:BEFORE and found that all of them fail WP:GNG. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- And is not the case of "Other stuff exists", but the consistence on how the community have been treating similar cases (there are examples who retired without ever flying with articles). Erick Soares3 (talk) 21:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- My point is: that case had no consensus to either delete nor redirect the pages (as you said when closing it) and the past Wikipedia examples shows that an astronaut/candidate don't need to fly to have an article (like Jeanette Epps, who had her page created in 2009). The pages may have other issues, but the lack of spaceflight experiences of the crewmembers isn't one of them, as the way the Wiki Community understood the past cases shows. Erick Soares3 (talk) 21:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Erick Soares3: (pinged) I closed the previous case based on the consensus in that case. This has no bearing on the consensus on this case (cf. WP:WHATABOUTX). That said, the nominator themselves correctly pointed out that per WP:ATD-R, redirecting is the better alternative to outright deletion. Regards SoWhy 18:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that we also should think about past deletion discussions/precedent: in 2017, it was attempted to delete the Group 22 NASA astronauts articles under the same argument ("they will only become relevant once they perform their spaceflight"). In the end, there were no consensus to delete/redirect everything, and one user, @Carrite:, said that the deletion request should be created only for individual issues with each article. @SoWhy:, since you closed the past discussion, what do you think about the current case? Erick Soares3 (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- My point is, they are notable when they pass one of the basic criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (people). Yes, most of the newspapers and news media in different Indian languages have covered them, but they all pertain to a
- I am surprised that you have autopatrolled and still share five sources, all posted between 27th Feb, 2024 and 29th Feb 2024, which were published after the announcement of his selection. Two of those are reposts from PTI. All these sources count as one and still does not have WP:SIGCOV. If I am right, this falls under routine coverage. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Some news coverage centered around Prashant Nair–
- I doubt any editor would skim through the 65,000 to 261,000 Google hits unless you provide the WP:THREE here. If we need to go by the search hits, we'll have articles for people/companies who are nowhere near to being notable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with nom. failed Wikipedia general notability guideline, also the this article is WP:BLP1E. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 11:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Case of WP:TOOSOON. RangersRus (talk) 15:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – BLP1E violation, fails notability guidelines. Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 08:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – I've made some additions to the page. AltruisticHomoSapien (talk) 06:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.