Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/An Ancient Journey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Kitarō#Awards. MBisanz ^talk 20:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An Ancient Journey

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Non-notable musical release. No evidence of charting. No evidence of winning awards. No evidence of full-length professional reviews. No Japanese-language wikipedia article to steal references from. Nothing obvious in google. Merge to artist page is also a possibility. PROD removed as the first edit of a brand-new account. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've found and added a real reference to confirm the claimed was nomination for a Grammy Award for Best New Age Album in 2003. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge per nom. Not enough sources to establish notability as per WP:GNG but perhaps something can be developed at the maina rticle about the artist. Vcessayist (talk) 00:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The album did not chart in Japan: see its Oricon page. Michitaro (talk) 21:20, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not seeing any reliable third-party sourcing or in-depth coverage. This is just a track listing. --DAJF (talk) 02:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral for now Comment. I would just like to give my opinion on this one. The track is not the subject of enough reliable coverage, at least according to what I can find, or lack thereof. The album didn't even chart in Japan, and it's actually rather easy to chart on Oricon (even selling less than 1000 copies can be enough to chart under the right circumstances). In this case, I would be leaning to delete or merging to the artist's article. However, it appears to have been nominated for a Grammy. Of course, it didn't win, but the fact that it was nominated should be of interest. Not even my favorite J-Pop singers Mami Kawada, Risa Oribe (LiSA) and Kotoko have been nominated for any international awards. Nevertheless, my opinion can go either way, depending on how notable the "Best New Age Album" award actually is. As it stands, the article is hanging by a thread, or maybe a chord. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a Grammy-nominated album that received enough coverage, e.g. [1], [2], [3]. --Michig (talk) 06:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First two links are behind a paywall, so i can't check them, although since they do appear to be newspaper articles they are quite promising. Third link is a track listing, and not really significant coverage. I'm still reserving judgement on this one. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's the first one which isn't paywalled and there's a review there. --Michig (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(1) is a paragraph length review (i.e. not in-depth according to WP:GNG) (2) I don't have access to (3) is an interview-based article for a US tour by Kitaro, with only one sentence about album, plus another sentence of direct quote (i.e. not in-depth according to WP:GNG). Stuartyeates (talk) 18:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 12:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect No evidence of notability besides the Grammy nomination, and no other information readily available. There is very little information that could not be summed up by adding the sentence "He was nominated for a Grammy for his 2002 album An Ancient Journey" to the article on Kitarō himself, but that is not even necessary because it would add undue weight (Kitarō#Awards indicates that he was nominated for several other albums as well). In summary, the relevant information already exists in the other article, so no need to merge. Just redirect. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - A grammy nomination alone is not enough to claim notability. 1.112.77.29 (talk) 07:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)— 1.112.77.29 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Note, the above SPA account appear to have as main purpose voting delete in almost all the Japan-related AfDs. Cavarrone (talk) 11:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for failing WP:NMUSIC. Qworty (talk) 08:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)— 1.112.77.29 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Note, the WP:SPA appears to exist solely to vote "delete" in almost all the Japan-related AfDs. elvenscout742 (talk) 06:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I would like to see someone familiar with Japanese do a search of 永遠の時を for reliable sources before making a determination. The album was nominated for a Grammy, which to me suggests there ought to have been some coverage/commentary about it in Japanese, at minimum about the nomination but more likely also reviews or commentary on the album. I don't have the capacity to look for this, though. --Batard0 (talk) 16:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Using the given Japanese name above (永遠の時を), I did a search, but it was rather inconclusive. Because it appears that it didn't get much coverage even within Japan, I'm now leaning to a merge to Kitarō or maybe a discography article despite it being nominated for a Grammy since there appears to be a lack of reliable coverage on the album itself (in fact, I couldn't even find a Japanese source that confirms the Grammy nomination). I was hoping I could find some coverage in Japanese, but there seems to be a lack of that as well. Too bad. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Merging would be a weight issue, though. The article at present contains no substantial information that is not already in the Kitarō article, except a track listing, and there is no evidence that this album merits greater coverage than his other albums, which have also been nominated for Grammies. Then again, it seems all of his other albums have their own articles. I really don't understand Wikipedia's notability guidelines for music. (>_<) elvenscout742 (talk) 11:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then what about a redirect? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:19, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I voted that way. :) elvenscout742 (talk) 13:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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