Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agha Syed Ali Sharfuddin Baltistani

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agha Syed Ali Sharfuddin Baltistani

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Non-notable person, fails all notability guidelines and this page is just a piece of WP:FANCRUFT. References cited in the article have zero credibility. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 07:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 02:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TBr and ley 03:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 02:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go Phightins! 00:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I'm unclear as to what the subject even does, let alone what might make him notable. I tried searches of many combinations of his name with specific custom searches of most individual parts of his name with the rest as associated search terms. I couldn't confirm any part of the article content. Unless we can get some proper sources I can't see how the subject could possibly meet WP:GNG. Stalwart111 00:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. The whole article looks very non-neutral. -- Luke (Talk) 03:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article's subject is obviously not well-represented in online or english-language sources, and there are some pretty glaring NPOV problems, but those are not legitimate reasons to delete. A long list of significant works, as well as the article's multiple citations to paper sources, indicate to me that the subject almost certainly satisfies the notability requirement. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 04:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've cleaned it up quite a bit; I fixed up the grammar and wikified some things, and also tried to get rid of some really obvious POV superlatives, etc. It's quite a bit more intelligible now, and I think it's more clear than ever that the subject is quite notable. It looks like he is a respected Islamic theologian and then founder of a Shi'a sect. I'm sure there are even more offline sources than listed in the article, if anyone has the resources to find them. For now, though, I think the article is in okay shape. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 04:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clearly non notable per WP:BIO. The notability requirement for people (or WP:GNG) requires coverage in reliable sources, none of which I find on this subject, neither in the article nor in online search. --SMS ^Talk 17:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The article has inline citations pointing to offline sources, which we have no reason to believe are not reputable; there don't appear to be any reliable sources available online about him, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any at all (there clearly are). ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 18:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I made that comment after checking those sources, which are not exactly offline, I can't share the the links per WP:LINKVIO concerns, but you can easily find it on Google. --SMS ^Talk 19:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find them on google myself, actually. If you can't link directly to them, could you at least share a couple of excerpts from the sections cited by the article? That would be really helpful. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 15:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. SMS ^Talk 18:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The WP:BIO guideline requires some significant independent sources that discuss the subject: my searches reveal next to nothing in English. Granted, the subject may be more heavily documented in other languages (Arabic, etc) and perhaps those sources could provide material to meet the Notability guidelines. But the burden is on the "keep" editors to provide some quotes from those foreign language sources (translated into English) along with demonstration of their independence. Absent that, Delete is the way to go. --Noleander (talk) 02:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it works. There's no reason to think that the published book sources cited by the article are unreliable, and the article shouldn't be deleted just because they are difficult to read or access for most Wikipdians. A notable subject is a notable subject, a reliable source is a reliable source. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 15:44, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are any of his books bestsellers? How large of an audience does he have? Any television, magazine, or newspaper interviews or articles about him? What notable things has he accomplished? Dream Focus 19:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that reading the article may be enlightening here. Specifically, the section currently called "Writings" which also includes a list of his other major contributions, political and religious. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 23:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think I'll relocate that whole bit to the lede, since it's a little buried atm. ∴ ZX95 ^[discuss] 23:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can publish their own books, that doesn't make them notable. He appears to give them away as free downloads online. Dream Focus 16:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This person doesn't seem to be WP:notable by Wikipedia standards. Dream Focus 16:13, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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