Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abu Khattab al-Kurdi

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The result was delete. The "keep" opinions are poorly argued, in particular insofar as they are based on the supposed importance of this person: per the essay WP:SOLDIER, only flag-rank officers are presumed notable by virtue of their position, and there's no indication that this guy was Da'esh's equivalent of a general officer.  Sandstein  19:04, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Khattab al-Kurdi

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The real name, birthday and background of person cannot be confirmed from any reliable source. The person wasn't important person. He was one of the units commander. There is hundreds of like him in ISIS. He wasn't senior commander, assault commander or one of the leaders of ISIS. Ferakp (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per Ferakp; lack of sourcing in news outlets indicates substantial failure to fulfill WP:GNG. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 20:18, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 21:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 21:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or merge notable that a Kurd is fighting against his own people. Information sparse on ISIS commanders. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Because you dont like seeing Kurds being a member of ISIS doesn't mean you go deleting wiki pages, stop pushing your agenda. There are several news articles on Kurds joining ISIS. Several sources are mentioning this:
• Small number of Kurds reportedly fighting alongside IS in Kobane: officials^[1]
• Not All Kurds Are Fighting Against the Islamic State — Some Are Joining It ^[2]
• The traitors helping ISIS wipe out their own people: How ethnic Kurds are using their knowledge of Kobane to coordinate Islamists' city siege ^[3]
• Kurds help Islamic militants in battle for Koban ^[4]

• --Liesbeth98 (talk) 00:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep He was an important commander — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadow4dark (talk • contribs) 01:53, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fairly low level commander. While the circumstances of his death were mentioned in some reliable sources, he does not appear to have had any reliable coverage up to that point. Therefore, I believe WP:BIO1E is applicable, which means he fails WP:GNG. Safiel (talk) 04:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I placed template Not a ballot as it appears that there was a least one attempt to canvass by a user here. Safiel (talk) 05:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete First, I tried to find reliable sources so I can improve this article. However, I found out that Abu Khattab is not even his real name. Arabic and Sorani news use different names in their news. According to some reliable sources, it's even unclear what was his position in ISIS but they believe his was just commander of his own unit. It is known that he had his own small unit (~30 fighters) but as I said there are hundreds of units like his units and hundreds of commanders like him. We really don't know his real name, birth details, position, how old he was, name and size of his unit. Even Western sources use different names and details when they mention him. We can't even verify his real name from any reliable sources so I would go with delete. Ferakp (talk) 07:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC) — Duplicate vote: Ferakp (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.[reply]

• Delete Per WP:NOTNEWS. This militant is only made known to us because of a single reportage surrounding Kurds joining ISIS. In that news item, he was merely given as an example of such a defector. It's very difficult for me to say that he's notable enough to deserve stand alone article. Neither his position in ISIS nor his news coverage is enough in this case. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Majority of editors agreed about deletion of article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedej (talk • contribs) 20:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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