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Shinichiro Ohta (musician)

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There do not appear to be any source that indicate this musician is worth to attention. The reliability of source 1 is unknown and the website does not adequately describe the musician. Source 2 is his band's website. Source 3 and 4 basically mention him by name only. 日期20220626 (talk) 07:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: I tried a search on Jstage (https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/), nothing. I tried using only .jp sites, all you get are concert listings or bloggy type fan sites. I don't see sourcing we can use with what's given now in the article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: completely personal interview[1].153.121.72.12 (talk) 02:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sofia Steinberg

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Was trying to fix an orphan article, but I came to the conclusion that she just doesn't pass our criteria for notability. There are some sources, including Brightside.com (fails WP:RS) and The Fashion Model Directory (user input, like IMDB, so fails WP:RS for V/N) and she won an award from Models.com (not notable company, not notable award, was "people's choice", a popularity vote, not a vote of industry people). Looked around the web and I see lots of social media. Even in the unreliable sources, she barely gets a mention, and utterly no significant coverage. Yes, she is a model, yes, she has had some good gigs (but can't verify them) but no independent or reliable sig/cov at all. At the end of the day, she fails to clear the low bar of WP:GNG, the gold standard for inclusion. Dennis Brown - 10:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Avon Safety Wheel

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No refs on the page for many years. I've been able to find a very small number of brief references but they don't seem to have enough coverage to WP:V what is currently on the page. If substantive refs exist, I'm not seeing them JMWt (talk) 10:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Serbia

Sports broadcasting contracts in Serbia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason below:

Sports broadcasting contracts in Montenegro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sports broadcasting contracts in Kosovo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sports broadcasting contracts in Albania (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in the Netherlands

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Spain

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in South America

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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason below:

Sports broadcasting contracts in Central America (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sports broadcasting contracts in Middle East & North Africa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the sources are announcements or are primary and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Russia

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources; either they are social media sources, are announcements and do not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Italy

Sports broadcasting contracts in Italy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only one source are primary, nothing but announcement and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Israel

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Australia

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Japan

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baedalwang

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No refs on the page for many years. I'm not seeing anything else which could be considered JMWt (talk) 08:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article 14 Direction

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No refs on the page for many years. I'm suggesting it should be WP:TNT on the basis that there is too little information on the page to expand, merge or redirect. Which Act is this Article from? There are sources which seem to refer to it, but how do we know it is the same one that this page is discussing. JMWt (talk) 08:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. This seems to be it. --Ouro (blah blah) 09:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If that's correct (I can't verify that it is or isn't), perhaps General Permitted Development Order should be expanded. I can't really see how a redirect would help (again, I'm not an expert but there could be many Article 14 in national laws that this could be referring to). JMWt (talk) 09:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kimon Argyropoulo

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No refs on the page for many years. The only claim to notability appears to be his position as ambassador. It is possible references exist in languages I don't read. JMWt (talk) 08:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All About Faces

All About Faces (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No refs on the page for many years. Seems like a minor television game show, but I'm not seeing Reliable Sources which could be considered for inclusion. JMWt (talk) 08:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrabaecampi

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No refs on the page. Seems like a WP:DICDEF. The only refs I see using the word are direct quotations from Ptolemy. JMWt (talk) 08:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Relief Project

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Unsourced article on a non-notable organization. Only their website is provided as a source, but it seems to be no longer working. No evidence of sufficient notability to warrant a standalone article. CycloneYoris talk! 07:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fatih Yıldız

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Fails WP:GNG, I don't want to mention WP:NPOL here at all because it does not apply. Just being an ambassador does not guarantee notability, especially if they do not pass WP:GNG independently. BEFORE returns nothing to establish GNG either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UDig

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Not notable. There are no independent sources Mdggdj (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Witch Yoo Hee

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2012.

I looked at the 7 other languages pages, and they either had no citations or the citations were not usable toward notability requirements (primary/database/etc). DonaldD23 talk to me 13:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maharana Pratap College, Deo

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Notability not shown; poor sources 扱. し. 侍. (talk) 09:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ANiMAZiNG!!!

ANiMAZiNG!!! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of WP:Notability, sources in article are not independent, I couldn't find better non-routine ones, just announcements and rehashed press releases. Fram (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is quite the problem indeed.
If this article gets a mention, then shouldn't its counterpart of NUMAnimation also get an English-translated article too? Understand that everything has to be literally translated from Japanese to English, so if there're enough sources to verify WP:Notability from the Jap wiki, then I don't see a problem with this. KANLen09 (talk) 11:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Updates have since been made to the article, so it should stay.SimonLagann (talk) 08:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alpha factor

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This appears to be a definition of a parameter during solidification. It has no general context, does not appear to be notable and I find essentially nothing about it in a Google search. If someone wants to add context to repair it I will withdraw the nomination, but to me it does not belong on Wikipedia. Ldm1954 (talk) 07:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CaseOh

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There is some in-depth coverage, but afaict, none of it, sportskeeda (WP:SPORTSKEEDA), The Tech Education ([2]), Venturejolt ("Venturejolt.com isn’t like any other blog you’ve ever visited"), is a WP:RS, even less so for a WP:BLP. The Esports Illustrated paragraph is probably ok, but it's not enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    TO THE CLOSER OF THE ARTICLE:
    Here is why I believe that this article should be kept:
    • CaseOh is a quickly growing streamer on Twitch, over the past few months he has grown substantially, reaching MILLIONS of subscribers and followers on multiple different platforms. He is extremely well-known, especially on Twitch and Tiktok, and (saying this as an exaggeration), you could ask pretty much anybody on these social platforms who CaseOh is, and they will immediately know. His channels have grown exponentially recently. I understand this alone does not prove notability, but it shows that he is well-known, so more sources about him are likely to appear very soon.
    • CaseOh has received multiple awards. He has received the silver play button and the gold play button from YouTube. Although there are many people who have received these rewards, so they may not be super significant, but they are well-known, which is criteria in WP:ANYBIO for presumed notability. He has also received an award from The Streamer Awards, and was nominated for 2 other awards. These awards are both significant and well-known. Very few people have received an award from the Streamer Awards, less than 100 based on the amount of Streamer Award shows that have taken place. However, the event is growing quickly, it reached 645,000 concurrent viewers this year, according to this main source, but also many other sources like this one and this one. I believe that this definitely passed WP:ANYBIO, due to the significance of that award, and the 2 nominations. There were also many internet celebrities attending this event, along with it being broadcasted on many places on the internet, with articles about it being made from large companies such as IGN, who made not one, but two articles about it.
    • According to WP:SNG and WP:Notability, it says the subject does not need to meet WP:GNG if it meets WP:SNG. For WP:ANYBIO, it says they are notable if they won a significant award, or were nominated for multiple significant awards.
    • Even if you say I am wrong and meeting WP:SNG does not overwrite WP:GNG, I still believe that there are at least 2 sources in the article that meet WP:GNG. As I stated in my reply to another editor, "I believe stwalkerster made a mistake in his source assessment, as he marked the sources from VentureJolt and The Tech Education as unreliable, specifically because they "publish too frequently". Based off of the size of the articles being published and the possibility of them being made earlier before publishing, I do not believe this has nothing to do with the reliability, therefore those 2 are reliable sources which would both count to WP:GNG. However, that is up to the closer to decide. If these sources are counted as going toward GNG, then the article is definitely fit to keep on Wikipedia." He also marked the articles from ESportsIllustrated, a reliable source, as "Little more than a list entry", but these articles do not just list CaseOh, they talk about him and his streams, and even feature him in multiple large images in the articles.
    • I strongly believe this article should be kept, but if my arguments for keeping it are not enough, I request that this article gets draftified until more sources can be found. However, once again, I believe that shouldn't be needed, because I think the article should be kept on the mainspace (just maybe with a banner to encourage finding more citations). Thank you.
    Antny08 (talk) 01:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep To say he is not notable makes absolutely no sense. If you have a social media account you will almost guaranteed know who CaseOh is. He has not thousands, but MILLIONS of followers. According to WP: Notability (people), significant awards automatically make the subject presumably notable. CaseOh has recieved the silver and gold play buttons, both very significant awards, but most importantly, he won the Best Variety Streamer Award (with multiple great sources to prove it), which is a very significant and rare award. These awards alone are enough to make CaseOh presumably notable. The sources in the article are reliable enough and provide enough coverage of CaseOh to finish out that notability. CaseOh is known by millions upon millions of people, it does not make any sense to say he is "not notable enough for Wikipedia".
Antny08 (talk) 10:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention sources like this [3], which are also from ESports Illustrated. Not only is it a reliable source, but it literally says he is the 5th most popular streamer on Twitch and the MOST POPULAR variety streamer. To comment on your writing about venturejolt, the link that you sent does not state it is a blog anywhere on there. Also, that very page you sent says this “At VentureJolt, we uphold the highest editorial standards to ensure the accuracy and reliability of our news content. Our team of experienced journalists and contributors follow rigorous fact-checking processes and adhere to journalistic ethics. We strive to present news in an unbiased manner, providing you with a well-rounded perspective on the stories that shape our world.” That shows they have high editorial standards there. Antny08 (talk) 11:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Popularity isn't really a factor for whether a subject is notable by Wikipedia's standards. A subject is notable if that subject has already been written about extensively by others who are independent of the subject in published reliable sources, and I'm just not seeing that here. The best alternatives are indeed the awards, or WP:CREATIVE which I think we're even further from. On the subject of awards, there are various sites which claim there are tens of thousands of gold play buttons awarded so I doubt that these are at the level of significance intended by WP:ANYBIO. I've briefly been through the sources in the article as it stands at the moment, and I agree with the nominator that there isn't really enough significant coverage (see table below which I've barely even populated and yet it's still entirely red on the right hand side). On the subject of ESportsIllustrated, (whether or not it's reliable) the information there about CaseOh is purely as a list entry with almost no coverage. I've not properly assessed VentureJolt/TheTechEducation, but they do give me vibes of being content-mill websites rather than sites with journalistic integrity. The author of the VentureJolt article appears to be publishing about 5 articles daily, which makes me nervous how much time and effort is being put into each article. The author of the TheTechEducation article appears to have an even faster publish rate. stwalkerster (talk) 12:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure The Streamer Awards would survive an afd, but it might. It exists, that much we know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? The Streamer Awards is a well-known events that gets tens of thousands of viewers. 645 THOUSAND PEOPLE WATCHED IT!!!!! You cannot say that is unknown of!!!! Antny08 (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You’re still ignoring the fact that he has millions of followers and is so highly known and recognizable on many social media platforms. If you ask somebody on TikTok or Twitch or YouTube who CaseOh is they will know. Antny08 (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We're ignoring follower counts because it's simply not relevant to WP:N. stwalkerster (talk) 14:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there are new sources bound to come about him at some time. Maybe instead of deleting this article we could draftify it until more sources are released? Please let me know what you think. Antny08 (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The speed at publishing does not affect the reliability and you cannot just assume it’s unreliable just because you don’t like how fast he publishes. Publishing frequently can actually be a sign of reliability, not the opposite. The streamer awards alone proves notability for CaseOh. There are multiple articles about it. The Streamer Awards received 645 THOUSAND concurrent viewers this year. He was nominated for not one, not two, but THREE different awards and won an award from the event, the BEST VARIETY STREAMER. The Streamer Awards were highly broadcasted online and had many famous figures and viewers. This shows notability. Antny08 (talk) 14:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I replied on my talk page, a high speed of publications from a single author makes me doubt that any substantial research and fact-checking has gone into any of the articles published by that author. It also makes me doubt that anyone is giving proper editorial oversight over that publication. Neither of those are good signs for the journalistic integrity or reliability of those sources. Sure, it's just an indicator and not a firm point, but a relevant one. stwalkerster (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, but once again due to the length of the articles and the potential of them being made before-hand, it doesn’t make sense to consider them completely unreliable. Antny08 (talk) 15:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That shows what they say about themselves. You may or may not find this essay of some interest: Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that his win at Streamer Awards prove him notable for Wikipedia, but, if the consensus still disagrees after my arguments, then I suggest that we Draftify the article until more sources can be published. Antny08 (talk) 15:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to draftify. This discussion will be closed in a week or so, we'll see what the closer thinks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't see any problems with this article. He's notable, gaining popularity in the past few weeks, and, sure, the article may be a little short, but that's fine.
Waylon (he was here) (Does my editing suck? Let's talk.) (Also, not to brag, but...) 16:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another thing, according to WP:SNG and WP:Notability, it says the subject does not need to meet WP:GNG if it meets WP:SNG. For WP:ANYBIO, it says they are notable if they won a significant award, or were nominated for multiple significant awards. CaseOh was nominated for 3 different awards at the Streamer Awards and won one of them. This event had 645,000 concurrent viewers, and was broadcasting everywhere online during its airing. It is a very popular event with many famous people attending and watching. I believe this proves the notability. Antny08 (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Start reading higher up on the page:
"People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."
This is followed by
"People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards." My emphasis. That means, if they meet the following standards, WP:BASIC sources are likely to be around. If they're not, they're not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering his cultural relevance, I think it's safe to assume Baker is worthy of an article. A testament to this fact is the myriad of satirical content published about him (for example popular YouTuber Meatcanyon's[4] recently published satire about Baker and his streams). By merit of his growth and awards I believe him to be worthy of an article, although more sources would be optimal hitherto expansion of the article. Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 17:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I believe that there are reliable sources in the article. I believe stwalkerster made a mistake in his source assesment, as he marked the sources from Venturejolt and The Tech Education as unreliable, specifically because they "publish too frequently". Based off of the size of the articles being published and the possibility of them being made earlier before publishing, I do not believe this has nothing to do with the reliablility, therefore those 2 are reliable sources which would both count to WP:GNG. However, that is up to the closer to decide. If these sources are counted as going toward GNG, then the article is definitely fit to keep on Wikipedia. Antny08 (talk) 01:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NEW SOURCE:
[5]
Here is a new source for CaseOh, just released. It is from thesportsgrail.com, which is used as a source in hundreds of articles. This source may meet WP:GNG, please let me know. Antny08 (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table: prepared by User:stwalkerster
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://twitchtracker.com/caseoh_/games No Stats tracking only No
https://www.youtube.com/@caseoh_/about No Subject's own social media page No
https://venturejolt.com/2024/02/25/who-is-caseoh/ No High frequency publishing from author Yes I'm feeling charitable No
https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-who-caseoh-twitch-streamer-s-meteoric-rise-popularity-explored No WP:SPORTSKEEDA Yes No
https://thetecheducation.com/who-is-caseoh/ No High frequency publishing from author Yes No
https://twitchtracker.com/caseoh_ No Stats tracking only No
https://esi.si.com/news/twitch-top-10-feburary-27th-to-march-4th No Not much more than a list entry No
https://esi.si.com/news/twitch-top-10-best-streamers-and-games-feb-19-26-2024 No Not much more than a list entry No
https://streamscharts.com/channels/caseoh_/subscribers No Stats tracking only No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5m5eTY3xug No user-generated content No
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestubbs/2024/03/08/how-jynxzi-became-the-biggest-streamer-on-twitch/ No WP:FORBESCON No Name drop only No
https://esi.si.com/news/streamer-awards-2024-nominees No List entry only No
https://www.tubefilter.com/2024/01/25/2024-streamer-awards-nominations-kai-cenat-jynxzi-hosted-qt-cinderella-pokimane/ No List entry only No
https://thestreamerawards.com/winners No List entry only No
https://esi.si.com/news/streamer-awards-2024-winners No Little more than a list entry No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
No, according to WP:ANYBIO, he meets notability guidelines. Please reconsider. Antny08 (talk) 14:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the WP:THREE best sources then? I don't see even a single source that is both reliable and significant, much less multiple ones. ANYBIO simply suggests the person is probably notable, proof is still required in the form of sources. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 15:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested we should draftify the article, until better sources can be found. Please consider changing your input to draftify rather than delete so we can provide time for better sources to emerge. Thanks. Antny08 (talk) 15:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't see evidence that draftification will save the article. You say "give time to come up with sources" but they would have come to light already if they existed. If you want to preserve the article you can do it locally but I wouldn't recreate it, even as a draft, unless the sources are there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 15:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CaseOh is a popular figure with his popularity only growing. New sources are inevitable to appear soon. Draftifying the article will allow it to be accessed by Wikipedia editors and allow for new sources to be added. Antny08 (talk) 15:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"He will get popular, trust me" is not the most compelling argument as it has no obvious date where sources might appear, compared to a work of media, for example. I don't mind userfication of the article, but I do think that proving notability within the 6 months required for a draft to stay active will be a tall order. So, you are free to put it in your userspace until such time it merits being a draft per WP:WOOD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 16:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please, do not delete this article. I have spent so long on it, if it gets deleted I will probably leave Wikipedia. I really like this website so I do not want to. New sources will definitely emerge in the next few months, it will not even take 6 months. CaseOh is a popular figure so new sources are bound to emerge. Antny08 (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, I apologize, can you explain userfication vs draftifying to me? I think at may be a bit confused. Antny08 (talk) 16:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft is putting it in draftspace. However, drafts are still expected to be an article fairly soon and are deleted after a period of inactivity. Userfication is putting it in your WP:USERSPACE. They can be kept there indefinitely and are more suited for pages that might be notable but which there is no proof it will happen anytime soon.
I'd not suggest WP:BLACKMAIL however, as it's not going to sway anyone to your side. People are generally not Wikipedia editors for only a sole article, that suggests some degree of not being here to build an encyclopedia. One has to be open to a "you win some, you lose some" mentality. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 16:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, I did not mean to come off as blackmail, but if the article gets deleted then it will double my deleted edits count, which will strongly hurt my chances of getting administrator someday. I want to be an administrator to help people out and to help build Wikipedia, and I do not want all of my hours of work to be for nothing. If putting it in my user space does not mark the edits as deleted, then I am fine with that as well. Antny08 (talk) 16:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here, having stuff we write changed and deleted is part of the WP-learning process. It's how we learn how stuff like WP:RS and WP:BLP works. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but if I have a lot of deleted edits nobody is going to want to vote for me to become an administrator. I work really hard on my edits, 99% of them are non-automated edits, so I do not want my hard work actually ending up looking bad for me. Antny08 (talk) 19:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you check some of the discussions at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#About_RfA, I think you'll find it hard to find one where discussion about deleted edits had any effect on the outcome. People look at other things, excellent content creation, understanding of PAG, etc. But, off-topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually being worried about how something will affect one's adminship later is going into the realm of WP:HATCOLLECTING. Otherwise I'm not so sure why you'd be so concerned about it, given that it's essentially a purely janitorial role. You can't do "whatever you want" as an admin so it's something you naturally get when you are already doing the work of an admin and require the tools to expedite it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 21:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify/Userspace: There is no doubt in my mind that CaseOh will eventually qualify for inclusion; but as said by others above, I'm not sure it's now. I'd say we incubate it until we get even one or two reliable sources. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 21:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since all refs currently in the article are from January and forward, there is also a WP:SUSTAINED problem. Give it a year or two, maybe he will have staying power. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The WP:SUSTAINED does not define what length of period counts as being “sustained”. Due to other text in the WP:SUSTAINES and sections surrounding it, I believe it is more talking about flash events like a shooting or something like that, where sources are very new (>1 month) and are likely to go away soon. The sources about CaseOh are multiple months old for some, and there will most likely be new sources emerging rather than not. This does not fall under WP:SUSTAINED Antny08 (talk) 11:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify/Userfy - Sources present do not demonstrate notability, and I can find none elsewhere. While I don't think there will be any significant coverage from reliable sources in the near future, draftifying/userfying is probably the best route. – Pbrks (t·c) 04:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • To be clear, I am also okay with deleting the article, to avoid no consensus. – Pbrks (t·c) 14:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      There will be reliable sources in the future. Case’s popularity has been growing and is still growing since I wrote my first message about his popularity growing. There is no reason to delete the article, since new sources are bound to emerge. Antny08 (talk) 14:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following has been moved from my talk page, as it is more relevant here – Pbrks (t·c) 15:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you believe that CaseOh should be deleted from Wikipedia? You did not present any arguments, other than the fact that you said “you don’t think that any new sources will appear”. Multiple other people have stated the exact opposite, including me, so I do not understand why you would think that. Case’s popularity is constantly growing, and new sources will definitely come out. Please reconsider in your vote for deletion. Antny08 (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Antny08: As I said, there are not any reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. Saying new sources will definitely come out is a WP:ATA#CRYSTAL argument. CaseOh does not meet WP:GNG. – Pbrks (t·c) 14:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you read my reasons to keep that I created for the closer, I stated how 1. If he meets WP:SNG (which he does), it says he does not need to meet WP:GNG, and 2. Two of the sources in the article I believe do meet WP:GNG. I do not believe it is a Crystal argument. He is a very popular figure with no stop in popularity, so based on the rate of sources now there are gaurenteed to be more soon, it’s hardly even an assumption since it’s pretty much gaurenteed. You are saying you don’t think that more sources will appear, you are the only one who said that, but most people including me believe the opposite. Deleting the article makes no sense, since time should be given to improve it. Antny08 (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08: I do not believe that he meets that SNG criteria. The sources present have one of two problems: (1) If it is a reliable source (e.g. Esports Illustrated), then it does not contain significant coverage of the subject; and (2) If it contains significant coverage of the subject, then it is not reliable (e.g. Sportskeeda). It is absolutely, 100% a crystal argument to say that sources will exist in the future. – Pbrks (t·c) 14:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then isn’t it also a crystal argument to say sources won’t exist in the future? Also, WP:SNG is not WP:GNG. All you need to do is prove that they won a significant award for WP:SNG, which he did and the sources do prove that. I think at least some of the ESports Illustrated articles provide significant coverage of him. It is more than just a list entry, there is a whole paragraph talking about him, and there are 2 photos featured of him in one of the articles, including in the main photo of that article. Antny08 (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08: Yes, it is a crystal argument to say that arguments won't exist, and while I did mention that I don't believe sources will come in the near future, that was not my rationale. For one, I do not believe the subject meets WP:NBIO (the Streamer Awards is hardly a well-known award). Moreover, if you read NBIO, you would have seen that meeting one or more does [criteria] not guarantee that a subject should be included. Lastly, if the most coverage from a reliable source that we have is "a whole paragraph" and a few images, then the subject certainly is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. – Pbrks (t·c) 15:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In WP:Notability, it states,
“A topic is presumed to merit an article if:
  1. It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG); and
  2. It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.“
It says it must either meet GNG OR SNG. The Streamer Awards is not hardly a well-known award. This year, the event had 645,000 concurrent viewers, with similar amounts in previous years. It was broadcasted by many popular celebrities and internet streamers, along with many celebrities in attendance. Less than 100 people have won something from the Streamer Awards, making it significant. That viewer count also definitely makes it well-known. Antny08 (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The (intentional) problem here is that the "well-known" is subjective, so it is a matter of opinion. I am aware of the viewership, and I do not consider that to be a significant enough number to be deemed "well-known". Well-known awards would be the Academy Awards, Golden Globes, Grammy Awards, ARIA Music Awards, The Emmy Awards, etc. Lastly, a presumption of notability is not the same as a guarantee of notability. A presumption of notability means we give the subject an initial "benefit of the doubt" at AfD. It does not mean it gets a "free pass" at AfD. – Pbrks (t·c) 15:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but it does not seem like anybody is giving CaseOh the “benefit of the doubt”. Also, the ARIA Music Awards only received less than 300,000 (238,000 to be exact according to https://tags.news.com.au/) viewers last year. So if you perceive that to be well-known, then so is The Streamer Awards. 645,000 viewers is well-known. That would be like the entire population of Luxembourg watching the Streamer Awards. The 645k figure is just the peak concurrent viewer amount, not the total viewer amount. While there does not seem to be a total viewer count (I have not researched that much), it is likely much higher than the 645,000. Antny08 (talk) 15:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08: If you are trying to argue that the three-year-old Streamer Awards are a more well-known event than the 37-year-old ARIA Music Awards, we are done here, I believe. Again, what "well-known" means is a matter of opinion, and I have stated mine numerous times. I will WP:DROPTHESTICK and let the AfD run its course. – Pbrks (t·c) 16:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, we can end this debate here. Personally, I have never heard of the ARIA Music Awards. What matters it that currently, the Streamer Awards are much more popular. “Well-known” is subject to interpretation, but you can most likely agree that viewership plays a major part. Have a good one Antny08 (talk) 16:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most sources are from non-reliable places (examples include WP:SPORTSKEEDA) Yes he is very popular, but that doesn’t constitute most things. Remember WP:BFDI lvrlol / sv1ad talk 14:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete with a comment. All right, I will try to summarise my perspective from the discussion above. First, kudoz to @User:stwalkerster for the reference analysis table, until I learn the ins and outs I will always have praise for those who do the table. What we have here is someone who has recently gained some sort of popularity in a niche environment, and there is minor coverage of this through sourcing that is very weakly relevant in terms of general notability, at best. Significant policy has been pointed out, for instance, that follower and viewer counts don't really add up to notability; viewership may play a part, but it's also minor. I seldom do outright delete indications and rather do comments, but this case is rather clear. In short: If this person does turn out to be generally popular in the long term, with solid references and sustained coverage of his work, then it will be time for an article. We don't do crystalballing as to what might and what might not transpire. That time has not yet come, and we do not guess, it's as simple as that. --Ouro (blah blah) 08:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nova International School Skopje

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Promotional article with no refs. There are links to the school's website. I cut it down but this was reverted and it is now even more promotional. If found notable, it still probably needs TNTing. Boleyn (talk) 07:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Respected, I am sorry for the trouble that my edit has caused was not aware of the consequences. I work for the school (NOVA International School Skopje) and I would like to ask you for help with page content to be compliant with the Wikipedia community guidelines.
Much appreciated Arsdac (talk) 09:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Chilcott

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Insufficient independent coverage of the subject on Google News and in the article to pass WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 06:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strike Germany

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Wikipedia is not a news source. This topic, a small number of people calling for a cultural boycott of Germany due to government support for Israel, lacks sustained, in-depth coverage. Many of the sources on the article are about other incidents, such as events cancelled in Germany due to anti-Israel views of the artist, or a violent protest that occured in Berlin. AusLondonder (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect I had tagged the article for notability for similar concerns. Merge targets, Israeli–Palestinian conflict? IgelRM (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WDUQ-LP

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No useful secondary sources, mostly FCC databases. Fails WP:GNG. Unlikely to be much potential for improvement given it is licensed to a "city" of 1000 people. AusLondonder (talk) 05:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Speedy Keep: Page has 10 references. 10. While the station is licensed to a city of 1,269 (regardless of the nominator's insinuation with the quotations), it serves a city (ie: Wheeling) of 27,062 and a metro area of 139,513. It should be noted that this is at least the 20th PROD or AfD by this user of radio station articles within hundreds of PRODs and AfDs by this user. All with virtually zero attempt to improve the articles by the user. User is nom'ing for deletion without constructively contributing to the project. - NeutralhomerTalk • 12:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's simply a baseless attack. I routinely improve new pages at NPP as my edit history shows. I also remove PROD tags from notable articles. The vast majority of articles I have taken to AfD have been deleted. Frankly I think you're confused as to what this project is. It's an encyclopedia of notable topics, with well-sourced articles. It's not a webhost. It's not a social media site. Now I will examine the 10 sources you refer to at the article:
    • Source 1: A database from Nielsen Audio, simply says "No Winter 2014 data found for WDUQ-FM." Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 2: Federal Communications Commission (FCC) database, a primary source. Source says "Access denied." Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 3: Appears to be a user-generated FCC database search of a construction application. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 4: Another FCC database entry, simply confirming their call sign. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 5: Another user generated search from FCC database. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 6: Another user generated search from FCC database. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 7: Another user generated search from FCC database. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 8: Another user generated search from FCC database. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 9: Invalid URL, appears to be a dictionary entry. Certainly not reliable secondary source. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    • Source 10: Appears to be a blogpost, now dead. Useful for establishing notability? ☒N
    Simply having a wall of irrelevant and useless sources doesn't make a topic notable. AusLondonder (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry you feel that way, but it wasn't an attack, just merely pointing out the obvious. I haven't seen you update a single radio station page, but that's neither here nor there.
  • All FCC sources are considered reliable per WP:RS/P. Arbitron updates with the season/year every three months. So change the WI14 to either WI23 or SP24 and you get current information. Source #2 works fine for me. It might be "Access Denied" for those outside of the US. A good alternative (or secondary) is this from FCCData. Source 9 was easily corrected here and correctly sources the sentence "The WDUQ callsign was chosen by owners Kol Ami Havurah because the letters "DUQ" is a form of the Hebrew root דוח or "report"." Source 10, again easily fixed here.
  • I found those within a few minutes of searching. I'm not "confused" on what Wikipedia is. I've been here for 18 years, have numerous articles to my name, including GAs and FAs. I have made my !vote and responded to your query. As such, this will be all I have to say on this matter. - NeutralhomerTalk • 13:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm blown away by your argument, especially as you are, as you say, an experienced editor. I'm not suggesting FCC database entries are "unreliable" - I'm simply saying they are primary sources. They do not establish notability. WP:GNG is really clear: "Sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability." Every single radio station in the United States, all 15,377 of them, will have database entries from the FCC. There's at least 15,000 stations in the European Union, too. Are they all notable if they have government database entries? AusLondonder (talk) 13:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have said my piece and I will offer no further comments on this subject. Thank you. - NeutralhomerTalk • 14:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to List of radio stations in West Virginia: Our standards have considerably tightened since 2006, when the inclusion standards in this topic area pretty much amounted in practice to "licensed stations are generally notable". Whether or not that was ever the correct standard is another matter, but in 2024 we go by the GNG, which requires significant coverage in independent sources (and I don't think this is the only topic area where articles based primarily or solely on database entries are being culled). While by no means absolute, LPFMs, as with (but probably moreso than) newer stations in general, tend to be less likely to be able to truly meet the GNG. Unless more sourcing surfaces, an {{R to list entry}} is probably all that's merited here. WCQuidditch 20:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Pelloe

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Little on the page to suggest this cleric meets the inclusion standards. Middle ranking Anglican clerics do not have assumed notability JMWt (talk) 09:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment What do the sources in the article--mostly offline--say about him? It'd be premature to say that this should be deleted when we have sources that aren't obviously improper: Someone added them to the article at some point. Jclemens (talk) 08:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Two are notifications of appointment, one is in a directory of all clergy. The only source which could count towards notability is presence in Who Was Who. JMWt (talk) 18:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete unless an editor can find significant coverage of this cleric in independent, reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 07:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yusra Alhabsyi

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No indication of importance person. All the sources not a reliable sources.. Stvbastian (talk) 05:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Can you clarify why you think the sources in the article are not reliable? They seem reliable from a glance; whether they provide WP:SIGCOV or not is another matter. Curbon7 (talk) 23:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm admittedly not an expert in Indonesian politics, but he appears to hold a seat in an Indonesian provincial legislature, and thus would pass WP:NPOL #1 right on its face. I'm willing to reconsider if I'm wrong about what the North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council is, but provincial legislators are important topics for us to have articles about — so the article can be tagged for {{refimprove}} if you feel strongly that the sourcing isn't adequate, but there's no such thing as a non-notable provincial legislator. Bearcat (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indonesia is a unitary state (not federal) so typically membership of a subnational legislature would not meet NPOL#1, unless this is a Spain-like situation where the provinces have tremendous autonomy. I am also not well-versed in Indonesian politics so do not know if this is the case. Curbon7 (talk) 22:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hi Curbon7 and Bearcat.. For sources, in Indonesia, we have some well-known newspaper that usually used in Wikipedia article such as: Antara, Kompas, Detik, and Jakarta Post (has been proven to be verified by the editor before publication). Sources in that article not a well-known source. Source #1 is a primary source. And why i said "no indication of importance person" because the main article of the Provinicial Parliament page is a redlink --> North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council, and this person did not make a big impact in the provincial politics, has not provided any achievements in other fields, so it does not receive enough attention from reliable media.'Thank u Stvbastian (talk) 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KTV Ltd.

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Not notable and lacking significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. Largely unencyclopedic content including channel listings, "competitors" and the cost per month. PROD removed on the basis of sources on the Spanish Wikipedia that appear to be solely about the hacking of various Falkland Islands websites nearly 10 years ago. AusLondonder (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per the two refs I added before this nomination. They were from the Spanish Wikipedia. Neither mentions hacking so I’m confused. —A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 20:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree article needs pruning and improvement. —A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 20:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Two of the sources at the Spanish Wikipedia mention the website hacking incident. With regards to the sources you added, one appears to be primarily about Falkland Islands Television Limited, not KTV. It appears to be a trivial source per WP:ORGTRIV (coverage "of the expansions, acquisitions, mergers, sale, or closure of the business" is considered trivial). The other source is an interview with someone from the company, considered a primary source. AusLondonder (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, it serves the needs of various communities which and is an important source or information to them. Article does need improving though. Karl Twist (talk) 11:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Guess we may as well get rid of notability requirements then. All information could potentially be useful to someone. WP:USEFUL. AusLondonder (talk) 11:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luca Schnetzler

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Submitting for discussion to see if notable. Some Articles seem to be paid/undisclosed payments. Juli Wolfe (talk) 04:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Delete: I'll also mention that citation source 9 is patently false, the career part of this wiki article it states that "Luca started his career at a tech start-up company called Ring Doorbell, in 2015." read the yahoo finance shows NOTHING\ about stating him being involved with starting his career there at Ring fake.. Juli Wolfe (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are several interviews online and Youtube that state Luca Schnetzler worked at Ring in 2015. It is not fake.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNIBgOKAXPA
    Please actually do your research before requesting an article of someone notable to be removed. (Personal attack removed)
    I'm reporting you for falsely requesting a takedown of this article. Yfjr (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This user @Yfjr Has been subjected to personal attacks seen right, multiple copyright violations, using statements claiming because of their "donations" they can enforce amazing editors like me and you to be kicked off the website, as well as trolling creating false threads & trying to vandalize user pages seen here. Juli Wolfe (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete: Reason being Not notable person, I see here you cited a YouTube video link. I read through the Wikipedia Notability guidelines and it says that there needs to be reliable credible articles cited not YouTube interview links. Also I can see he has a lot of what looks like paid for press articles/news links, which is strictly against Wikipedia's policies. LucasNotGettingOne96 (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong + Speedy Keep Firstly the bio of the person is the CEO of Crypto NFT Network Pudgy Penguins. They are also featured on Financial Times, BBC, NYTIMES, The Verge, The Guardian and many other WP:RS sources and the sources which are mentioned as reliable per Wikipedia. Secondly, the nominator has really weak background as they haven’t participated in any AFD before and as a creator of this article i wasn’t even notified regarding the AFD which is suspicious that the editor intention is to clearly harm the article without properly researching the citations. The page was reviewed by experienced NPR Moriwen Many press has stated here that his previous company ring doorbell was acquired by Amazon [6][7] DIVINE 12:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with @DIVINE. (Personal attack removed) Yfjr (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DELETE + Speedy deletion: I disagree here. Hey DIVINE, I read through all and notice that quiet a few of them in this are not notable/credible I will go over the few. Some of the ones you mentioned here- He his not been featured in "The Guardian" the site you are referring to is Guardian.ng Nigeria: https://guardian.ng/features/netz-capital-by-luca-netz-is-the-latest-entrant-in-the-angel-investment-arena/ and there is no sight of the editors name who created the article it just says "Editor" which clues to it not being notable. Citation source 9 is patently false, and a proper reliable citation is needed. In the career part of this wiki article it states that "Luca started his career at a tech start-up company called Ring Doorbell, in 2015." I read the Yahoo Finance shows nothing about stating him being involved with starting his career there. And I seen here that in a podcast2] here you claim him saying it, but where is there an article of that being said? No where. [1] This isn't a reliable notable/credible source, you have to read through Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Others like sea.ign "Southeastasia IGN" that is cited under this and the other articles cited in the Wikipedia article are just mentions of him in there mainly talking about his company, just mentions of him included in there. There's no NYTIMES.com cited, no BBC.com cited, no TheGuardian.com cited. Remember, Wikipedia wants things to be true and cited. Editors like me and you do a great job at that, I seen that you said that my intention was to "clearly" cause harm without properly researching citation, which is Clearly not true as to how I went through and corrected your mistakes. And I see that you do a good at your edits as well as you have a lot of background on your end. Juli Wolfe (talk) 23:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote Liz Read! Talk! 06:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete: fails WP:GNG. Google says there isn't enough reliable sources from major news outlets, the only major and reliable news source that I know of are Business Insider which really isn't enough to satisfy SIGCOV. There is also not much on reliable sources and not any major news outlets talking about her. -- Wesoree (talk·contribs) 01:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Weak delete I agree that it also fails WP:GNG. Doesn't show much of reliable sources from major breaking outlets seems very fishy needless to say as well since a user named DIVINE above stated a reply to someone saying that "his previous company ring doorbell was acquired by Amazon" this Luca guy or whatever never even founded Ring it was by a guy named Jamie Siminoff. It is not Luca Shnetzlers company. This is why it is important that we must read the Wikipedia guidelines carefully and that doesn't matter if you are a veteran editor is a new editor. LucasNotGettingOne96 (talk) 03:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC) (you can only cast one vote at an AFD but since you just created your account today, I wouldn't assume you'd know that. Liz Read! Talk! 05:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)) [reply]

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Bryttania

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Not yet notable per WP:BAND. In a WP:BEFORE search I could find only routine local coverage and passing mentions in gig listings. Wikishovel (talk) 06:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of 2011–12 figure skating season music

List of 2011–12 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Incomplete, arbitrary WP:FANCRUFT. Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:
List of 2008–09 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of 2009–10 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of 2010–11 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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@Bgsu98: Surely you mean to bundle in all the other lists in this set (see Category:Figure skating-related lists)? Mach61 13:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn’t seen those yet… I’ll add them properly when I get home this afternoon. Thank you for letting me know! Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isabella Bozicevic

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT or WP:NTENNIS. LibStar (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Meets NTENNIS and also just about meets GNG thanks to sources such as [8] (bypassing the paywall) [9] and [10]. IffyChat -- 10:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Practical Help Achieving Self Empowerment

Practical Help Achieving Self Empowerment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is based on a lot of primary sources. A search in google news and books yields very little, and not enough to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 02:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. The org has one (1) hit in the Austrian joint library system, a 2012 article in the British Journal of General Practice about improving primary care services in rural Nepal, doi:10.3399/bjgp12X656892, written by a PHASE employee. I don't think the Austrian connection is going to be able to contribute much in terms of establishing notability. GR Kraml (talk) 04:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lucy Grantham

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This biography was originally deleted 15 June 2020 due to "lack of in-depth sources". The same objections apply to the recreated article: subject does not meet notability under WP:NACTOR, which requires "significant roles in multiple notable films". Muzilon (talk) 03:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    • keep** seems to be notable based on references SanDiegoDan (talk) 21:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: I believe the references fail WP:SIGCOV. Only one notable film ("Last House"). Her few other appearances were non-notable supporting roles in obscure low-budget/porn productions. The obituary cited for the Lucy Greenberg who died in New York in 2023 has no biographical information - we don't even have a reliable secondary source to verify that this is the same person as the subject. Muzilon (talk) 23:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prince Abdulaziz bin Musa'ed Sports City

Prince Abdulaziz bin Musa'ed Sports City (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. The SNG says that stadiums are not presumed notable and must meet GNG. There is only one source and it is just a very brief database type listing on the ministry of sports website. I'm generally more lenient than the guidelines on stadiums but this one misses the guidelines by a mile. Tagged by others for sources since December with you additions since the tagging. North8000 (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge and redirect to Ḥaʼil, It says it's a multi-use stadium, so merge and redirect to the city it's in. Govvy (talk) 09:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Law (actor)

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I proposed this article for deletion but it was contested due to the sole source in the article having significant coverage. However, my point still stands that the source is about his son and daughter, Jude Law and Natasha Law, more than him, if not then it's just one source. A Google search gives no sources that prove notability to this person, many are about his son. Thus, this article fails WP:SIGCOV. I doubt that the information already in the article needs a separate one, it can be merged to the Natasha Law and Jude Law articles. Spinixster (trout me!) 02:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Treadwell, Georgia

Treadwell, Georgia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Here we get a peek into the GNIS process, which actually appears to go back over a century. The post office, everyone seems to agree, was named "Amzi", but GNIS cites a Board of Geog. Names decision which is dated Jan. 12, 1897 in preferring Treadwell. Nonetheless, the name didn't appear on the topos until it was back-added from GNIS, and the latter claims that the source of all its info on the spot comes from ADC maps. I have a lot of experience with the latter (everyone around here used them for street maps before Garmin) and I wouldn't take them as terribly authoritative on this sort of place name— but also, if the name didn't get entered until 1993, what's with the 1897 decision? And where did ADC get the name from?

This leaves us with the 1900-era cyclopedia, which has come up before. It mentions Amzi, but I can't tell whether it also mentions Treadwell, because apparently only the fist volume (A-E) is available online. Again, we have the population figure which doesn't appear to come from the census. Amzi is called a "post-village", which could mean a place that's just a post office. And the authors seem unaware of the BoGN decision. My reading is that this is an area served by a post office, but without evidence that it is a distinct settlement. Mangoe (talk) 03:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There is a more thorough history, which explains why the name Smith Treadwell kept popping up and the whole Treadwell connection, at https://www.murraycountymuseum.com/book_01.html#CHAPTER_IV . It has the school, mill, shop, church, and craft fair. There's parallel coverage in various history books (and presumably contemporary newspaper reports given the citations) about Smith Treadwell's gravestone in the Treadwell cemetery in Spring Place, which weathered in an unusual and suggestive manner in the late 19th century. Uncle G (talk) 11:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I grew up in the area, and am familliar with many people involved with that book (that Uncleg is talking about), It's practically self published, though. It's also probably about all your going to find history wise on Treadwell or Amzi. Probably not going to be enough sources to write and article.James.folsom (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge to the murray county article I added it to the list there.James.folsom (talk) 00:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep it has a stated population (though not apparently from a census) and name origin. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as not encyclopedically notable jengod (talk) 17:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pasang Lhamu bus crash

Pasang Lhamu bus crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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All the coverage I could find is from the time of the event. No lasting coverage or effects to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 01:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Auspex International

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All the coverage relates it to being set up by people from Cambridge Analytica following the scandal Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal. Fails WP:CORP. LibStar (talk) 01:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Hakkâri bus bombing

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4 of the 5 sources are from September 2010 when this event occured. No WP:LASTING effects or coverage to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 00:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it is part of the Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 01:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could it be merged/redirected to this article? LibStar (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could but I think it would be better on its own. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 05:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In genuine good faith (not asking rhetorically, but as a serious question), what makes you think this topic needs its own article rather than being mentioned in the insurgency article? I have no preference towards keep or delete myself at the moment - I'm just curious as to your rationale in saying this. Sleddog116 (talk) 02:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pasco County Fire Rescue

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Does not meet notability guidelines, as page creator was told during the draft process; he moved the page from draftspace to mainspace regardless. References are all either connected to the organization or consist of routine coverage. Nothing else on the page indicates notability under WP:NORG. Apocheir (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to know why it was “nominated for deletion” because it “isn’t notable” when this is one out of many articles that are similar within the fire department wiki. There is other articles that have barely any text on them that are still up. Second with the sources, they’re all sources that have confirmed information. No news site is telling you how many calls and how much money the agency is making so that’s the point why I used actual factual data for that portion. I also have fixed other sources in the past that heavily relied on Pasco county fire rescue webpage that now redirect to news sites. I’ve put a LOT of time into this, and seen that you nominated it for deletion the same day I finally got it posted even though I’ve fixed what I’ve been been told to fix in the past it’s a little aggravating. Ryan Watern (talk) 00:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you can provide some helpful tips on what to fix within the article, instead of deleting the whole thing that I spent two weeks on. Ryan Watern (talk) 01:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP - This looks pretty good to me. This is a fairly new editor who has done pretty good this early on. I'm not sure what is wrong with "routine coverage". It's more or less in line with other such articles linked to the Florida fire departments navbox — Maile (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    When I first started working on the article, i looked at probably 20 different fire rescue articles on here and a lot of them was missing information, and a few of them even only had just an intro and a very limited infobox, that was it. So I was shocked to see that this one was nominated for deletion with it being more detailed than a lot of the other articles within the fire department navbox. For the annual calls i used the IAFF website as they are the only website listing how many calls there is per year and that’s going to be accurate because it’s from the source. There isn’t no “news articles” stating how many calls they ran in 2023 either, which I wouldn’t expect there to be for any fire department. For the budget I got it straight from the source as well. And I would think this fire department is pretty notable as it’s a fire department in a county that is the second fastest growing county in Florida, at least, according to USA today. Plus when I was working on a draft I was told to not use the Pasco county fire rescue website so I didn’t. I switched all my sources to something else which had the same information and it still got “nominated for deletion”. Your right about me being a new wiki contributor, and I was hoping to be able to create an article that would be informational and accurate and I felt that I did just that. Ryan Watern (talk) 03:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Been there. My first attempt at an article was immediately slapped with a deletion nomination. The article survived, and so did I. Hang in there. — Maile (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • KEEP - I strongly advocate for keeping the article. The article is well-written and demonstrates extensive research, supported by credible citations. It provides information that directly benefits a specific niche within our community, enhancing Wikipedia's value as a comprehensive knowledge resource. This article strengthens Wikipedia's mission of sharing reliable information. Furthermore, I believe that overly strict or blind adherence to guidelines can discourage contributions from new editors. Wikipedia thrives on the diversity of perspectives and expertise that new editors bring. A balance between maintaining standards and encouraging participation is essential for Wikipedia's continued growth and excellence. skarz (talk) 15:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as this article has potential to be expanded from its history section. A lot of these articles usually get redirected to their municipality as an ATD but I see there's sufficient sources and it's not a run-of-the-mill fleet inventory list. I would expect a county's fire rescue unit to have a lot of sources from its own government - it's transparency to the people. It wouldn't be hard to get secondary sources from the local newspapers as well which would confirm the same findings and/or get a quote from government officials. I have always wondered about this guideline when it came to city or county government - is that not a Catch 22? It just seems it's at the mercy of secondary sources where you have unchecked synthesis (unless you're familiar with the reliability of the source) but that might be for another discussion. In short, there such be a rational nexus for the guidelines. – The Grid (talk) 18:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Pasco County, Florida#Public safety As is painfully standard for this article area lately, an overwritten PR piece with unadulterated promo copy rather than a balanced and critical look at a county fire department, WP:NOTDIRECTORY for the list of stations, which is frankly overdetail that could put the department at risk since its vehicles are detailed down to where they're parked, and worst of all, the article seems to be a skeleton built around three vehicle photographs with visible watermarks as a favor to the nominator's friend, which is incredibly unacceptable and disallowed. I don't know what the original rationale was behind the article, but this feels more like a vanity article that feels more like the article writer trying to rush glory onto the encyclopedia rather than trying to be truly informative. Nate (chatter) 21:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Would like to give a few words on this, the “down to where they’re parked locations” come from their website so obviously it’s not a safety risk as they are the ones who put it out. If you look at most other fire departments on wiki they all have the same thing. Next if the watermarking is an issue, I could fix that. It isn’t a vanity piece either like your suggesting that it is. It’s just an article on the fire department nothing deeper than that. Ryan Watern (talk) 21:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, with the “built around three vehicles” one of the photos don’t even have a vehicle featured in it. One of them a vehicle one of them is firefighters, and the other one is a fire station. Ryan Watern (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Update: the watermarking/photo issue has been fixed. Photo no longer in any violation. Ryan Watern (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Pasco County, Florida. The list of fire stations is pure WP:NOTGUIDE fluff, while the rest of the article is easily mergeable. SounderBruce 06:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And yet, Wkikpedia has Category:Fire departments of the United States by state — Maile (talk) 11:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would the article be merged when there’s a whole wiki category for it. With that logic merge all articles within Category:Fire departments of the United States by state to their county Ryan Watern (talk) 11:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why I linked the category here. As long as the subcategories by state exist, what you are dealing with here is just one user's POV. One editor likes it one way, and the next editor likes it another way. Such is Wikipedia. I say there are enough already established to keep the Pasco County one. — Maile (talk) 12:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We also have Commons:Category:Fire departments of the United States available to anyone who wants to add images. — Maile (talk) 13:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My only issue with the whole "what Wikipedia is not" policy is that you will find thousands of articles that are contrary to that policy. Often with useful and verifiable information that betters society. Whenever there is any question of whether something belongs on Wikipedia, a good place to start is WP:IGNORE. skarz (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, with the caveat that the big table at the end has to go. It's bulky and goes into excessive detail. It is clear beyond that, however, that we have articles for other fire departments, so why not this one? People, I you are actually worried about article spam, go police corporations or BLP articles. This is more than fine compared to the stuff on there. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion I think the table at the bottom within the station in apparatus section is a vital part of the article. Some may disagree but if you take a look at other fire departments on Wikipedia, almost every single one has a table. Ryan Watern (talk) 04:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re the table, you are correct, Ryan Watern. I did a random check from Category:Fire departments of the United States by state, and most I found have such a table. So, there is a standard already established for the table to be in the article. — Maile (talk) 00:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! When building this article i tried to get a common theme of everything within several different articles in the fire department category, looking at things that are commonly added and things that are commonly missing from various articles and put it all together to build this one! Ryan Watern (talk) 00:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per the original nomination The Trash Compactor (talk) 01:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: User:The Trash Compactor is a new editor. Based on their editing history, a possible vandal. Their first five edits were "Delete" on this nomination, plus Articles for deletion/Amaron, Articles for deletion/DOVO Solingen, Articles for deletion/Spaghetti Taco and Articles for deletion/Gharanai Khwakhuzhi. — Maile (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Trash Compactor has now been indef blocked as Wikipedia:NOTHERE — Maile (talk) 18:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It should be known for the closing admin that the nominator is systemically clearing a lot of the fire department articles as redirects based on lack of notability. They are bold actions but they seem excessive when notability can always be established for tagged articles regardless of time frame because there's no deadline. I bring their GAR of Briarcliff Manor Fire Department, where they object a good-rated article and ponder if it should be sent to AfD as their good article review? I have never heard of such a thing except if it was a hoax. This is insane with the sourcing provided. This is the complete opposite of WP:HEYMANN. I question what you even think is a good fire department article. – The Grid (talk) 18:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Grid, I have noticed it. Apocheir has been doing that to a lot of articles. As far as I can tell, there are not necessarily always discussions to go along with the action. And there seem to be a lot of focus on stand-alone articles such as this. Somebody does all the work to get a nice article like this one, and somebody else comes along and on their own redirects it. We really need a separate open discussion about this issue. Would anyone care to open such a discussion at WP:ANI? I think it's very important to clear the air on this, and get a general consensus. Otherwise, it's just going to keep happening. — Maile (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Grid / Maile66 - I went ahead and started the ANI discussion right here. Feel free to chime in if my initial report wasn't adequate enough. skarz (talk) 04:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I have commented over there. I think it's important to establish a guideline for this. — Maile (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There already is a very clear guideline, Maile66, and it is Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). So, those who want to keep this article ought to explain how this specific fire department meets that particular notability guideline. Cullen328 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect and merge to Pasco County, Florida, unless someone can find significant coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of this fire department and that meet the standards at WP:NCORP. Cullen328 (talk) 16:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My question is how does this pertain to government departments? NCORP lists everything except governmental departments. Is it wrong to assume you're going to find a good percentage of information from the municipality as a primary source? – The Grid (talk) 19:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Right now, this is No consensus between editors arguing that sources are sufficient and the article should be Kept and editors advocating Merge/Redirect seemingly on the basis of how similar articles have been handled and because of perceived "fluff". As for NCORP, it's unclear, government agencies aren't included in the list of subjects that this policy covers but they are also not included in the list of exceptions either.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Article has been updated on 28th of March addressing a lot of concerns. The table is now collapsible for the reader which will free up space in the article for those that don’t want to see a large table within the stations and apparatus section. Those who do want to see all the information on the stations and apparatus will have the option to see it. Various new sources were added, most of them from news stations that reported on the agency. And some new sourced information was added to the article as well. Ryan Watern (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Metal Hero Series. This was mentioned as a possible ATD in an editor's comments. I don't think the third relisting was warranted. Liz Read! Talk! 07:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special Rescue Exceedraft

Special Rescue Exceedraft (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2022. Other language articles do not have sufficient citations to support notability. DonaldD23 talk to me 12:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Belo Horizonte overpass collapse

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All the sources in the article, and the ones found in google news are from July 2014. No lasting effects or impacts to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 01:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Despite a thorough search I also have not been able to come up with any sort of lasting coverage, and only found sources published at the time of the collapse. I abstain from providing a suggestion as to whether the article should remain or not, I am aware of WP:LASTING, I suppose it's pertinent and appropriate, I'm just not at the point where I fully internalised it yet. --Ouro (blah blah) 06:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ACL injuries in Australian rules football

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This is another essay that doesn't seem to belong in Wikipedia. There is nothing specific about this type of injury in Australian football that makes it different than the same injury in any other sport. Oaktree b (talk) 00:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Australia. Oaktree b (talk) 00:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete only 1 source is specifically about AFL, the rest is generic info on ACL injuries in sport and WP:SYNTH to link it to AFL. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I can't see anything here that isn't basically already covered in Anterior cruciate ligament injury. I'm all for niche content being included in the project, but this feels kind of... needlessly specific. Sleddog116 (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this is an article about ACL injuries, with some WP:SYNTH to try and link it to the sport (and at most 1-2 of the offline sources that might be usable, but cannot tell as offline sources). I don't see a large amount of coverage linking the two (unlike for example women's association football and high levels of ACL injuries, which do seem to get a lot of mainstream coverage like [11]), and so this isn't a topic that needs to exist on Wikipedia. And especially not this article, which is really just an essay about ACLs.
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