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Marek.69 ^talk 16:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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THE ETHNIC & MINORITY RIGHTS

The first European minority rights were proclamed and enacted by the revolutionary parliament of Hungray in 1849. The second was created in Switzerland. Austria-Hungary was more liberal with its ethnic minorities than other European countries. Before the WW1, no other European coontry know the minority/ethnic rights. The German law, English law French Italian Spanish legal systems did not knew the category of minority rights in pre WW1 era. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stubes99 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be interested to read those rights and see a reference to it. In 1949 when the revolution was losing ground, an appeal to minorities was a last ditch effort to save Hungary. And when we consider the opinions of its leading figures (read below) it's easy to question the sincerity of those right. For one, the failure of Hungarian revolution resulted in failure to appeal to minorities. Lajos Kosuth, the leader of the revolution with Slovak roots, treated minorities with contempt. I quote: Kossuth considered himself an ethnic Hungarian and stated that there was no Slovak nationality (also: "nation," "ethnic nation," "ethnicity") in the Kingdom of Hungary. ^ "Wherever we look in Hungary, there is no entity that would constitute a Slovak nationality/nation." ("Bármerre tekintünk is Magyarországon, sehol sem látunk anyagot ily tót nemzetiségre."); A. B. [Lajos Kossuth], "Visszapillantás a szláv mozgalmakra." Pesti Hírlap, 26 June 1842. ^ "Kossuth rejected the very idea of a Slovak nation [...]."; Piotr Stefan Wandycz, The Price of Freedom: A History of East Central Europe from the Middle Ages to the Present. 2001. ^ "Though partly Slovak by birth, he [Lajos Kossuth] denied the existence of a Slovak nation [...]."; A[lan] J[ohn] P[ercivale] Taylor, From Napoleon to Lenin: Historical Essays. 1966. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vladimir Skala (talk • contribs) 12:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for how liberal Hungarian policy toward minority rights was: In the years 1896 and 1908 560 Slovaks were tried and sentenced for using their native tongue in governmental offices. Slovak workers in government were required to Magyarize their names. When a British historian, Seton-Watson, on his travels through Hungary 1906 asked in Pecs where he may find Slovaks, the reply was that there are a few left deep in the mountains. Clearly the tough Magyarization measures were having the desired impact of almost wiping out Slovak ethnicity, if at least on census ballot. The link to the article in Slovak press: http://spravy.pravda.sk/slovaci-dajte-si-pozor-na-scitacich-komisarov-foe-/sk_domace.asp?c=A100725_112909_sk_domace_p58 Vladimir Skala (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For better udnerstand: Skala You must read the article of the two and very different type of nationalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nationalism and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_nationalism , the ethnic type or "race-based" nationalism is a hotbed of nazism. The ethnic nationalism appeared in Hungary only in the 1930s. But the 1930s is not our debated era. If you study the development of Hungarian nationalism, you can see, that it (and its ideas) was constructed by the higher nobility of Hungary, who weren't Hungarians by the terms of ethnicity. The Noblemen know their complex ethnic background, because they knew well their lineage from noble-almanachs rather than the less educated/non-educated peasants and common people. Therefore their only prospect was to follow the western type so called civic nationalism which didn't based on race. In the late 1700s and early 1800s ,after and under the aegis and appear of Panslavism the local slavic nations developed their ethnic nationalism with the invention of "slavic race". It was true for Romanians who dreamed that, their ancestors were the great ancient romans instead of their shepherd nomad ancestors. It was the main difference between the Hungarian nationalism and the nationalism of some minority groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.88.254 (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About Seton-Watson story: Pécs is a south-western Hungarian town. The population of Pécs was German Croat Serb and Hungarian. It's no wonder, that the local answerer couldn't know more about Slovaks. Ironically: it might that the answerer wasn't also an ethnic Hungarian :))))

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Discussion panel

Before WW1, the territory of present-day Slovakia had only mining industry (like Africa Asia or the third world) there weren't serious industry like the machinery industry or electric industry. Until this day, the average wages & salaries and general infrastructure of Slovakia are lower than Hungarian. It's enough to travel to Slovakia.

Again international court? where? Which? International Court exist only in Hague Nederland. It's lie that international court denying reparations to Hungarians and Germans affected by Benes Decrees. Dear Slovak, the policy of ethnic homogenization = Typical Nazi idea. Don't forget, Your independent Slovakia was born as a Nazi state in ww2.

About panslavism

Stalin (who was Gregorian non-slav) using the power of panslavism killed 2X more people in peacetime than Nazis in wartime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.114.4 (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Slavic ethnic (racist type) nationalism was barbaric. Hungarians didn't make such an anti ethnic decrees as the Benes decrees. It was a plan for ethnic cleansing. It was the violent deportation of Hungarians and Germans after ww2.

Slovak politicians often call Hungarians as nazi. Slovaks were "wronger" in WW2 than Hungarians. Slovaks were the first ally of nazis, who attacked Poland.

we have to remind the World opinion of some historical facts about the "First Slovak Republic":

1. The first independent Slovak state, announced by the Slovak Parliament on the 14th of March 1939, and led by Jozef Tiso, at the same time also was the first military ally of Adolf Hitler, as the openly Nazi Slovak Government took part with military units of battalion magnitude in the shameful German invasion against Poland, the very act that started WWII on 1 September 1939. 2. Until now, this aggression against the desperate Polish state has been and remains to be a not-talked-about historical fact, because Czech-Slovakia was on the winning side of WWII, as the Czech part of the country was an enemy and victim of Hitler and sided with the Allies, so the combined Czech-Slovak state, with the Czech part and Slovakia on opposing sides, and basically indifferently to the outcome of the War, cleverly" managed to manoeuvre itself into a win-win situation in the Paris Peace Treaty that closed off WWII in 1947. 3. Furthermore, the Slovakian Nazi regime willingly and voluntarily started the deportation of Jews already in March 1942. 4. Finally, it also is a fact, that Tiso became the last to ally to Hitler as he only fled his post at the beginning of April 1945.

Hungarians were too liberals with their minorities in pre ww1 era. Before the ww1,only the Austro-hungarian and Swiss legislative and legal-system knew the term of "ethnic and minority rights".In Western Europe(France Britain Germany)the ethnic and minority rights were unknown terms.Majority of Scottish Irish and Welsh people forgot their own languages under British rule.Only 50% of the total population spoke the French language as mother tongue in France in 1789. The minorities (50%) couldn't speak their original languages in France in 1900 yet. Read about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.105.250 (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Racist ideology & the role of Panslav factor in the outbreak of ww1

Again, the world's first race-based identity and ideology was the panslavism. Hungarians were a receptive nation (majority of the Hungarian higher aristocracy was not Hungarian by the means of ethnicity, Majority of the political and military leaders of Hungarian revolution of 1848 were not Hungarians by the terms of ethnicity, but they considered themselves as Hungarians. The slavic identity was the opposite. Slavic nations believed that they are descendants of common forefathers, they believed that they are racialy clears. Thus the race-based identities and societies were exclusionary. See: Genocides Ethnic cleanisings and forced deportations against Hungarian and German speaking populations after ww1 and ww2. However the romantic naive panslavic beliefs and myths collapsed in scientific levels (remember : population genetics of 1990s and 2000s). These false nationalist beliefs survived in less educated common people until this day.

Panslavism had the direct interest to ruin the status quo of Europe. The Black Hand society was a state-supported terror organization of the Serbian government. Panslavism and slavic nationalism had a key-role in the extension of a local conflict to a real World War. The supporter of panslavism, Tzar of Russia Nicholas II would had been the first Hitler, he started progroms genocides against Jews before ww1. It's awfull to imagine what would happend with non-slavic nations if he had won the war. However Tzarism couldn't survive the ww1. The new Soviet regime was strongly internationalist. After the WW1, the collapse and lack of a great slavic nationalist Empire (Russian Empire) prevented a large-scale new tragedy in the European continent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.111.183.192 (talk) 14:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]