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Well, then, maybe it will work. So you're from Argentina. So I think we can talk in spanish in any future messages, as it is my mother language too. Bye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onikiri (talk • contribs) 02:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Well, there are lots of toy sites with info about Myth Cloth. Yeah, what you say about Seiya its true, i was at the site a while ago...I don't remember exactly right now, but it is true. Ah, i remember, I think you can find it in cavzodiaco.com.br, in the news of january. It is really only gold plating, not really a Cloth made out of pure gold, but it is gold indeed, and it looked nice. It was the Cloth that Seiya had in the Poseidon arc.

Hi, sorry if i didnt reply but I didnt think you needed me to say something. I dont really know what you want me to say. It was not me who reverted the changes you said you made to the Athena or other pages. I wrote the Athena, Poseidon, Artemis, Zeus, Apollon, Hypnos and Thanatos articles entirely, also Lyumnades Kaza and Thetis, and have contributed actively for all Saint Seiya articles. Most of the pics in the articles were uploaded by me, specially the pics from the manga found in them, i think i added all of them. I have noticed my articles rarely get edited, so i dont know if someone reverted what you typed.

By the way, did u add the help thingy to the japanese names of the Saints techniques? Theyre spelled correctly, so I just wondered why the help thingy is there...but anyway, in any case, i think you know japanese, i do too, so in case u need help there it would be my pleasure. I have noticed you add good info to the articles so I think we can work well together in the future.

Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onikiri (talk • contribs) 19:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC) talk:Tintor2/Archive 1

If you mean List of Naruto characters, summons and beasts are already (temporarily) listed there. ~SnapperTo 20:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I was going to rewrite all of the main character articles at some point or another, and probably redirect those that don't have any significant conception/reception information. You are welcome to continue adding references to those articles; might save me some time whenever I start working on it. But if you'd like to focus your attention on something I won't be redoing, you can find references for the various lists (characters, jutsu, etc.) ~SnapperTo 03:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The "Naruto manga chapter X, page X" format isn't the most ideal of options, but it's certainly acceptable. Something like {{cite book |last=Kishimoto|first=Masashi|title=Naruto, Volume X|year=200X |publisher=Viz Media/Shueisha |chapter=Chapter X |pages=X |isbn=X}} is preferable, but not everyone owns the volumes that allows them know the page numbers. If you'd like, you can use List of Naruto manga volumes to fill in the blanks for this format, and put a ? where page number goes. Someone who knows the page number will fix it for you at a later date. Just remember to differentiate the reference between Japanese and English details where applicable (year, publisher, ISBN, etc.) ~SnapperTo 22:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The tag is referring to references that do not come from the manga itself. Something akin to what is to go under Naruto Uzumaki#Character reception, only for jutsu. News articles about jutsu, game reviews that mention jutsu, or something of the like are ideal references.

Also, while I've got your attention, I notice you've been shortening the many character articles but cutting out minor details. This is good. Just make sure that the paragraph still makes sense after whatever detail has been removed. Here, for example, you remove the bulk of the information about souls, but souls are still referenced in the next sentence. A simple reword excluding the word "soul" should finish the job nicely. ~SnapperTo 05:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Jutsu aren't likely to receive a lot of out-of-universe coverage, or at least not anywhere near as much as the characters do. Game reviews/previews, episode reviews, and manga and/or volume reviews are really the best you can probably hope for. Unless you happen to find an interview with Kishimoto that deals almost exclusively with jutsu. That would be great. ~SnapperTo 21:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

You can add references to whichever article you'd like. Don't let me dictate your editing habits. ~SnapperTo 20:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It can. Since the anime picture doesn't look very good, I'd go so far as to recommend it. ~SnapperTo 22:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

"Independent" would be any source not affiliated with the subject. Kishimoto and Naruto fansites are not considered independent, while game sites are. In reference to Jutsu (Naruto), it does have independent sources contrary to what User:Taemyr says. It doesn't have a lot and by all means it could use more, but they are there. Similarly, the article is just getting too long, and needs to be cut down if it is to avoid being labeled as "cruft" by random passerby. I'm almost done redoing Sasuke's article, so perhaps I'll starts on that when I'm done. ~SnapperTo 22:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Individual refs would be nice, but simply linking to this should suffice. ~SnapperTo 18:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Why can't we add what has happened in the latest chapter/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan (talk • contribs) 22:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Just minor details? This is a crucial moment-Sasuke has impaled his brother, and is now asking a crucial question. And according to Kishimoto, 2008 is the year of the Uchiha. It's not a minor detal at all. You may not like it, but this chapter has to be added to the plot overview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan (talk • contribs) 22:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

He was using the assumption that the article was a list article. The old one was, but the current one is a regular article with a few lists embedded. Apparently I forgot the do an edit summary. :(--Marhawkman (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that is a lot of cruft. I'm not familiar with the series, and as such, I cannot make a truly informed decision on the matter. However, most of these articles are utterly terrible: giant chunks of extended plot summary and trivial details and trivia sections. For instance, an article like Aries Sion is composed of nothing but the aforementioned cruft, and they could easily be merged. Be bold in your mergers at first. If you meet resistance, then discuss. Feel free to ask other editors for their opinion on the subject if you want. If that fails (and I mean you meet an utter dead end facing hopelessly stubborn editors), then bring it to AfD. Good luck. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 18:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The word predictable means 'possible to guess', it does not mean 'randomly guessed'. Although the chapter guide is not a crystal ball, the chapters that will be put in Volume 7 can be nothing else but the next 6 upto 9 chapters ahead. The number of the chapters put in the next volume might be questionable, but it is very possible give the range of the possible number of chapter. A tankubon cannot be too thick nor too thin. So the appropriate number of chapter can't escape 6 or 9 chapters. And it can't skip any chapter either. So it certainly has to start from chapter 52. If you have a problem with the certainty, say so. Commenting 'This is not a crystal ball' is rather insulting. It quite implies that I randomly guess it. You can just tell what will be put in the next volume by simply thinking a little bit.

Also, you seem to be the person who edit Kreios' Soma from Sickle back to Scimitar. However, I've asked many people and they quite agree that Scimitar certainly not the one. I'd like you to participate the talk at the bottom of this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Saint_Seiya_Episode_G

I do appreciate politeness. Thank you in advance. Anthonydraco (talk) 22:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I apologise you in return for the reaction. I don't know if I've shown too much aggression on what I told you. If I have, sorry.

Well, I too think that understanding is always better.

As for Kreios' Soma, I've provided the possible weapon Kreios' Soma can be on the concerning talk page already. Please check. I'm willing to discuss.

By the way, I've replied you on my talk page, but I'm not sure if you'd get it. So I do it here again. If this is not necessary, feel free to correct me. I'm still learning. Anthonydraco (talk) 23:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I've also checked the not a crystal ball page. It appears that I cannot put any analysis on it. So, you are correct. I apologise. I've changed it back to unknown.

And in the reply, you said you don't understand the weapon. Am I to understand that I can proceed with editting it to a weapon that looks more like Kreios' Soma?Anthonydraco (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Just because he wrote the article does not mean he owns it or improvements cannot be made (Naruto Articles).Earthbendingmaster (talk) 00:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry to keep reverting, but Plot overview sounds better than Part in the story. About character attributes and character outline, I am going to stop reverting and let someone else decide.Earthbendingmaster (talk) 15:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. We should be civil about this. Earthbendingmaster (talk) 03:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I have carefully checked the manga I own again and found the quote that Shaka does know that the current Pope is Saga. I'll provide you the quote here to avoid dispute. It might not be worded exactly like the Knights of Zodiac (Eng version).

Aiolia: So when Aiolos was branded a traitor 13 years ago, he slanderedhim!? Mu: My and the Ancient Teacher's hunch was correct... Aldebaran: What!? We have been fooled all these 13 years!? Milo: So that means that woman is the real Athena. Shaka: I know that Shaka has been impersonating the Pope since 13 years ago, but why can't I sense his evil?

This is from Saint Seiya vol.13 p.56.

So those that did know but still serve him are Deathmask, Aphrodite, and Shura like you said, but from this, it means that even Shaka serve Saga, he didn't know about the evil side. Anthonydraco (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

'Minor specter' means a less important specter. Just 'minor' means an underage person. Edward is a kid. So if you want to say he is a kid by maintaining the word minor, pick the latter so that it doesn't give the wrong impression. Saying he's a minor character gives meaning that he's not very important. Anthonydraco (talk) 23:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate your efforts on those section added in the Sanctuary article, those parts are not neccessary.

The mission section has already been mentioned in the first section, as it is about the Sanctuary itself. There's no need to repeat the same information in the same page.

The weapon section is about 'Saint', not directly about 'Sanctuary'. While this is an article about 'Sanctuary', not everything about Saint Seiya is needed here, just about 'Sanctuary'. Also, the weapons and the reason why Saints fight without them are already mentioned in another seperate article. If you do want to add those data, I suggest you link them instead of copying the text there. Adding more text will add unneccessary data to the database and lengthen the article. Anthonydraco (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You have recently deleted a large section of Cygnus Hyoga. While it looks as if you are going to replace the deleted content in a alternative form (swapping Notable people and events with Plot overview) It is advisable to keep the original text in place until your new section obsoletes the old section. Barry m (talk) 12:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll be getting to Goku's page very soon. Otherwise, I'm not understanding your concern. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, first off, a personal sandbox is just a subpage of your own user page. To create one is like creating a new article; just create "User:Tintor2/Sandbox" or "User talk:Tintor2/Sandbox" (you can either extend it from you user page or talk page)

You don't even have to name it Sandbox, e.g. "User:Tintor2/This is my writing section". Or if you just want it to be temporary for creating a single article, you can name it User talk:Tintor2/Sagara Sanosuke draft or User talk:Tintor2/Myojin Yahiko draft, since those are the articles you're planning to fix. Just as long the article starts with "User:Tintor2" or "User talk:Tintor2".

Afterwards, if you want to delete the subpage, just replace the info on the page with the template {{Db-userreq}} in order for someone to speedily delete the subpage. For more information on creating a subpage go here: Wikipedia:Subpages.

Second, what did you want me to check? DarkAngel ^{█▀▀007▄▄█} 07:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, this image is the best I can find of him performing his technique. It's not too great on the quality, but it looks just fine in thumbnail form. It's just Kenshin sucking in Shishio Makoto after the first strike of Amakakeru Ryū.

By the way, nice work on the article. DarkAngel ^{█▀▀007▄▄█} 04:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

For some reason, I'm not really comfortable with this edit. The format before was in-line with the other character articles because not everyone is part of the family tree. May I change this? Please respond on your talk page, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The article looks fine. It could use more reception information, but that's the only big thing. Maybe a picture of him mid-strike, slashing a couple of guys? I'd also suggest shortening the Background section, but other than that it should be an easy GA once you ref everything. ~SnapperTo 01:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I just have to ask, how did this happen? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's it. I just thought it was kind of strange. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: If you'd like, join the discussion over here. We need to get everything straight if we really want Naruto's article to pass WP:GA review. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of WP:GA, I've nominated Himura Kenshin (it is amazingly better than when I last saw it). You've done a very good job on the page, I congratulate you. And I noted something when I was looking over the article; Kenshin isn't categorized in Category:Fictional samurai. Why is this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I've done some significant updates, everything is fine except for that IGN link. I couldn't figure it out. Maybe you're using the wrong {{Cite web}}? I asked earlier why Kenshin was not categorized in Category:Fictional samurai. Your response? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I say place it there. No real problem right? If he has the spirit of a samurai then might as well categorize him as such. BTW, I'm considering italisising Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryu because it is done here (beginning of the sentence). A non-English term like that should be considered foreign. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Is that a yes to everything I've considered? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I have placed the category. I'll get to fixing "Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryu" when I return later on tonight. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Did a quick search: theotaku.com, theanime.org, scifi.com, animeboredom, animetric.com (1), animetric.com (2) (note that some of these didn't open up all the way on my search)

This what you're looking for? I sorta have a hard time telling what violates WP:FANSITE and what doesn't. These look credulous to me, a lot of the other stuff I skimmed through were fan-related. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Since I am not 100% certain, I'll leave it to you to decide. Or you could ask this friend of mine. {^_^} Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's some merchandise: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Perhaps this would be most useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sesshomaru (talk • contribs) 15:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it! Let me ask: you plan to make all RK pages great like Kenshin's? I think this is what the people are doing for the Naruto articles. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Sojiro probably has more potential (story-wise) than Tomoe and Kenji. But yeah, it could be merged first and then we can work our way up. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to ask: is there someway the top paragraph in Himura Kenshin can be improved? Everything else looks perfect except for that. Maybe it needs references? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Nah, they'll think we did well using the Naruto articles as a basis. Speaking of which, the top could be styled like Naruto Uzumaki's. Which refs did you have in mind? The ones I gave you? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Will you do the honours? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Himura Kenshin could actually be featured article material by the time it passes WP:GAN. About "hitokiri battōsai", do you think it should be capitalised since it is a title? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that the article gets better and better, it's pretty impressive when you think about it. So, what to do with "hitokiri battōsai"? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Battōsai should definitely be deleted, I suggest WP:AFD. Let's try to use some different words instead of overusing the term(s) "create", "created", etc., on Himura Kenshin. How does "fabricate(d)", "made", "set" or "manufactured" sound? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting artwork. I'll get Battōsai af'd. Speaking of which, is that word [Battōsai] supposed to be capitalised in the Rurouni Kenshin articles? And I just read on some Naruto talk page that a user named User:JadziaLover specializes in Japanese. Try asking him. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• I had a discussion with an admin and other users about the reference at Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto) (may be archived), and I was told that reference was non-notable. To include it would mean having to include every other webcomic reference of Orochimaru (and there are more than a few). I fail to see how that qualifies as "real-world context"... apologies. JuJube (talk) 22:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Good, but your logic is flawed. By your logic, you are claiming that there is no time difference between part 1 and part 2, when in fact, it has been confirmed and verified that there is. Sasuke9031 (talk) 02:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll do my best to help you. I took a quick glance at one of the scans, but they don't really give much info. Just, what I assume is basic stuff, like how he has two scars in a cross-shape (There's something about a Tomoe here. Is this a character from the show?)
His hair is tied in two tails, which are flowing to make him look younger, but not too much as to make it more gender-neutral.
His sword has a long Habaki to make it easier to draw it out of the scabbard. On the whole, the sword has a simply structure, with emphasis on strength.
There's also something about his haori. Something with western suspenders, or something.
I'll look at it in more detail later. I'm a bit busy right now. JadziaLover 19:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I read somewhere in the image policies that the maximum would be two-three pics. The Ranma ½ articles overdid it drastically and they risk losing all of them. Kenshin is perfect, no need to add more. That line, "When creating Kenshin, Watsuki made him inspired by the history of a real ..." I thought it was a bit better before. Think you can give it another wording? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Article size is ok, is it even possible to add more? You wanted to place character design images right? We should ask about that first, I think. Two things about T.H.E.M. Anime Reviews:

1. Is it supposed to be italisised?
2. The word "complains", doesn't that sound a bit obscure to say?

Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm trying to understand why you changed this. I read the link review and it says a number of things, but what does it imply the most? More good or bad? There's just so much content. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

How's it now? I didn't feel like adding anything more for that line. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Appearances in other media seems like the best place, whereas Reception speaks of how Kenshin is received by fans, critics, and the general public. So, what else do you plan to add? A conceptual image would be nice, like what Majin Buu has, though we should follow suit to image policy. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

In Techniques, shinsoku and shinsoku nōtōjutsu are lowercased. Should they be capitalised like the other moves or what? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought about the battōjutsu sample. I'm in the midst of something, could you do the edits? I follow-up on fixes if needed. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I would say no because of the article and that the word is foreign. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Good question. If it is a title of a signature technique/attack, then yeah (see Goku's abilities). Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I just finished looking at Rurouni Kenshin and here's what I noted is missing:

1. Conceptual data
2. Media
3. Sales

Other than that, it needs more <ref></ref>. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

A picture illustrating Himura Kenshin using Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryū would be nice in Techniques. I know we've talked about image use policy, but Master Chief has at least four which may fall under fair use. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you have Paint shop Pro or something better? You're able to combine images into a single frame with certain programs, though there are probably better ones out there, I just don't recall the name. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Most definitely. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I tried rewording the description in the new image but decided to leave it alone. You think it's phrased okay? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

What else is missing for Himura Kenshin? I really think we could attempt a FAC at this point, though there could be something amiss, I don't see what it would be. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It took forever for Belzi to make it to GA so it could be a while for this one too. Maybe replace the "battōsai" image with a better one (ie, a daytime scene)? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

That's a beauty. Though will it replace the "battōsai" pic? That's Kenshin in the OVA right? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

By all means. Go for it. {^_^} Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. Place the sentence, ref it, but leave it unlinked per WP:RED. One would think such an article should have existed by now. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

In Creation and conception, where you placed, "Watsuki based most abilities of Kenshin ...", were you directing the character or the 'Kenshin' series? I would like to reword it for clarity. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You voted twice. You should correct this to avoid confusion. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

If it was just a link, I would have removed it outright, but since it was used to source a claim, I merely removed the link, following discussion at WT:ANIME#Appropriate sources for reception. Honestly, I'm not too sure on whether to keep it or not, but I think it can stay as long as it isn't re-linked. —TangentCube, Dialogues 11:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)