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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events/Press/Blogs
  • Ladies that FOSS, March 15th, 18:00, Berlin. Meetup dedicated to women who want to start coding for Wikidata, Mediawiki or other open source software
  • Wikidata workshop in Manchester, March 17th, 10:00, at the Manchester Central Library (information)
  • Wikidata workshop in Paris, March 17th, 20:30. More questions about SPARQL and the Query Service (information and registration)
  • Would you like to attend to a Wikidata meetup in Berlin? You can choose the next date!
  • Wizards, Muggles and Wikidata: The Room of Requirements for structured knowledge by Jens Ohlig, John Cummings and Navino Evans
  • Wikidata for winners (in Economics) by Martin Poulter
  • Des Successions à Wikidata : vers un réseau social des philosophes antiques ? (fr) by Pierre-Carl Langlais

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Do you want to help watching the recent changes? Have a look at this useful collection of links by YMS
  • Watch the gender gap on Wikipedia and Wikidata with this tool by Envlh
  • Play Stadt, Fluss, Land with Wikidata! (by Knut)
  • Deadline for submitting a presentation for Wikimania 2017 is March 30th: discuss about ideas or ask for help
  • WMF is hiring a program manager, a product manager and a community liaison to work on the structured data project on Commons

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: pole position, MIMO instrument ID, openMLOL author ID, IPv4 range, Iditarod musher ID, SAHRA heritage site ID, DOCOMOMO Ibérico ID, average space complexity, best-case space complexity, worst-case space complexity, average performance, best-case performance, worst-case performance, Shoftim BeIsrael judge ID, KMDb documentary ID, Google Maps CID, Israel Football Association player ID, SSRN author ID, Wildflowers of Israel ID, World Rugby Sevens Series ID, number of subscribers, ITU/ISO/IEC object identifier
  • Query examples:
    • List of female bioinformaticians/computational biologists (source)
    • Most gender-imbalanced occupations in US citizens (source)
    • Awards received by more women than men (source)
    • Transgender characters played by trangender actors/actresses (source)
    • The most famous astronomical objects in Solar System according to Wikipedia sitelinks (source)
    • Natural arches around the globe (source)
  • Newest WikiProjects: Board Games
  • Newest external tools: official first release of WikidataIntegrator

• Development
  • Converted undo/restore interface to use OOUI. You can test it here (phab:T134643).
  • Fixed an other rounding issue on geo coordinates (phab:T158772).
  • Added thumbnail images to the Wikimedia Commons suggester (phab:T160319).
  • Continued working on introducing Lexeme entity type.
  • Finishing federation prototype.
  • We are going to change all snak, reference, and qualifier hashes with the planned DataModel 7.0 release. If you are a tool developer, make sure you do not persist hashes, and never use them to request edits to entities. Statement IDs are safe (phab:T157965).
  • Removed unnecessary CSS on ooui special pages (phabricator:T159702)
  • Allowed example queries to be searched for SPARQL commands (phabricator:T154768)
  • Converted Wikibase interface for undoing/restoring a revision to OOUI (phabricator:T134643)
  • Converted image header user script to gadget (phabricator:T159929)
  • Started writing spec for technical data model for Wiktionary support (phabricator:T150785)
  • Worked on providing API for constraint check (phabricator:T102757)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals - proposals needing attention
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:27, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Thought this sort of edit [6] went out with the start of wikidata, .... um.... really weird. JarrahTree 14:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. In your book "Pink Floyd - The music and the mystery" (Omnibus Press, 2010) p.101, you assert the brass in Pink Floyd's "Summer 68" is played on a synthesizer. Surely this is a mistake? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: I'll need to consult my sources and notes, which I don't have to hand. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:06, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Cool, cheers. Reason I ask is I'm giving Atom Heart Mother a bit of spit and polish, as it's degraded a bit in the years since I last did serious work on it. I did grab your note about the working title of "One Night Stand" which I didn't know before. Re synths, I did have a look around for other book sources, such as Schaffner's "Saucerful of Secrets" and Povey's "Echoes", but nobody seems to really cover anything about the song beyond what's already in the article. In early 1970 the only synthesizers to hand were monophonic custom built or modular moogs. It's possible the brass is Wright overdubbed (he is documented as being a capable trombone player) or it's the EMI Pops Orchestra (who played on the Atom Heart Mother title track and did this session as a "job lot") or it's a Mellotron; for the latter case I'd go and ask Andy "Planet Mellotron" Thompson, but his website seems to be offline :-( Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:33, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

POTW, I also think Mohammed al-Fayed's former spokesman Michael Cole is notable enough for an article, but Cole has written about his travails over the former Wikipedia article for a certain newspaper/website which is developing a fixation on this project. I make it four M--- articles in the last ten days. By the way, Cole in that non-reliable source, appears unaware the article has been revived. And his commissioning editor too. Philip Cross (talk)

You created Michael Cole (public relations) yet a "Michael Cole" in the Daily Mail blasts Wikipedia about an article on him but it seems to be unrelated:

• Two writers reveal Wikipedia's insidious Kafkaesque control

--Penbat (talk) 13:48, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not POTW, but it is the same person. Checking the web, and possible variants (see the school's article), I found Cole's article is the main source indicating he went to Preston Manor County Grammar School; a common problem with people whose highest profile pre-dates the web is finding good sources. But note the point I make above. Philip Cross (talk) 14:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The school is not mentioned in the article I wrote. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Andy, have you read the deletion discussion for the earlier version of the Michael Cole article, including his letter to OTRS? Despite the dare I say typical exaggeration in the Daily Mail article, he comes across as quite reasonable and (being unable to read the deleted article) I found the deletion arguments reasonable. With the exception of the unfortunate "gnat's belly" phrasing, of course. Are you sure this is going to be worth the predictable emotion, and that it's not largely inherited notability? I'm surprised to see his company website still up, since he says in the letter that he wound it up and took the BBC position. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I have not read, nor can I, any such OTRS correspondence. The deletion arguments to which you refer are not about the article I wrote. Cole clearly meets our notability requirements, and passes the minimum by quite a good margin. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Cole (public relations): OTRS correspondence evidently reproduced with permission. Julia\^talk 10:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Note: The above comment has been modified, after I replied to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I received an e-mail saying my comment had been partially oversighted, and waited for them to decide whether to oversight what's at the deletion discussion. There's a lengthy statement by the article subject reproduced there by permission in which he sounds reasonable, but which conflicts with what's on-line elsewhere and what you put in your replacement article. Hence my asking wether you'd read the deletion discussion. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I have deleted the article per WP:G4. While your article was newly written, not a copy of the previous one, it changed nothing about the reason the previous one was deleted and didn't indicate sufficient additional notability or changed circumstancse to have the article now. Feel free to take this to WP:DRV instead to get the previous AfD overturned, but until then please don't recreate such articles. Fram (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Fram: Well, now please promptly undelete it. As I noted on the talk page, G4 explicitly excludes articles that "are not substantially identical to the deleted version". Your "please don't recreate such articles" is entirely outwith policy, and therefore rejected. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

An article deleted for BLP reasons, at the request of the article subject, should not be recreated without additional reasons to do so (the subject having gained further notability since the deletion). No such reasons were present here, so the article should not have been recreated. Fram (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

[ec] @Fram: Your claims are still outwith policy, but in any case are irrelevant, since I did have "additional reasons". Now please restore it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:14, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and FWIW, I have policy on my side: WP:BLPDELETE says "After the deletion, any administrator may choose to protect it against re-creation. Even if the page is not protected against re-creation, it should not be re-created unless a consensus is demonstrated in support of re-creation." (bolding mine).

G4 explicitly excludes articles that "are not substantially identical to the deleted version" (bolding mine). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Then replace G4 with G6 or IAR: the BLP policy trumps speedy deletion reasons. Anyway, like I said, feel free to take this to DRV to argue your case, the chance of you convincing me here that I should undelete this, contrary to BLPDELETE, is minimal. Fram (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Michael Cole (public relations)

A tag has been placed on Michael Cole (public relations), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Nfitz (talk) 23:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I do chuckle whenever a highly experienced and knowledgeable editor is told to read "the guide to writing your first article". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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I'm making sure that you're aware that discretionary sanctions are applicable in this area, because you recreated the article Michael Cole (public relations) without first establishing a consensus for its recreation per WP:BLPDELETE. In my view that action was needlessly disruptive given the likely controversy that would result from recreating (without prior consensus) an article deleted at AfD following a request from the subject of that article. Sanctions may be imposed if you breach WP:BLPDELETE again. WJBscribe (talk) 12:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

(watching, alerted) I often recreate deleted articles, so would like to know for my safety: where would I have seen in this case or others that it was deleted per this WP:BLPDELETE. I believe that if it is not documented in the deletion log or the deletion discussion, users can not be held responsible for not knowing about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@WJBscribe: If you think I'm in breach of such sanctions, take it to Arbcom. Otherwise, keep your patronising advice to yourself. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid that in this case, I have no choice in respect of the templating. ArbCom requires that precise template to be used to notify someone of the existence of discretionary sanctions and does not allow custom wording to be substituted. No sanction has yet been imposed on you. The notice was to inform you that sanctions may be imposed if you breach WP:BLPDELETE again. WJBscribe (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

"I have no choice in respect of the templating" Poppycock. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:43, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events/Press/Blogs
  • Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Berlin on March 31st
  • Upcoming: Datensummit in Berlin, April 29th. We're looking for Wikidata editors to help :)
  • Upcoming: Wikidata Workshop in Rennes, March 22nd
  • A successful Wikidatathon about women's history in Puri, India
  • Wikidata as information source to support the Dutch elections
  • Quora: Adding Locations via Wikidata
  • Quora: Identifying Topics about People
  • How to quickly generate word analogy datasets with Wikidata by Finn Arup Nielsen

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Deadline for submitting a presentation for Wikimania 2017 is March 30th: discuss about ideas or ask for help
  • SWAT4LS 2016 poster Linking Wikidata to the Semantic Web
  • Mix’n’match interface update

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: FFA ID, European Athletics ID, All-Athletics.com ID
  • Query examples:
    • Gallery of authors of scientific articles that have been published on this day of the year (source)
    • Scholarly articles that have Wikipedia articles about them (source)
    • False Vermeer works (source)
    • From Natalie Portman to Paul Erdös graph (source)

• Development
  • Fixing a bug on the save button (phab:T159244)
  • Fixing a bug with the link to the Query Service on an ember query (phab:T156013)
  • More work on Federation (phab:T157442, phab:T158169)
  • Fixing a bug on geoformats (phab:T158772)
  • Fixing a bug on the treemap view (phab:T160320) Thanks EdouardHue for the patch!
  • More groundwork on Lexemes (phab:T157791)
  • Show thumbnails in commons suggester (phab:T160319)
  • Fixing a bug on coordinate (phab:T153429)
  • Applying WikimediaUI color palette to Wikibase (phab:T151194)
  • Writing spec for technical data model for Wiktionary support (phab:T150785)
  • Working on providing API for constraint check (phab:T102757)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals - proposals needing attention
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 16:28, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

22:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Template:UK ISPs' Transparent Proxies has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2017-03-27.

• Events/Press/Blogs
  • Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Berlin, Friday, March 31st at 19:30 in Neukölln
  • Upcoming: Wikidata IRC office hour, April 5th, 16:00 UTC, on #wikimedia-office ^connect
  • A tool to estimate gender gap on Wikidata and Wikipedia (source)
  • (fr) Odonymie rennaise : que nous apprend Wikidata sur les noms des voies de Rennes ? (source)
  • Wikidata's excellent sample SPARQL queries by Bob DuCharme
  • 10 steps to integrate CIViCdb with other public data in Wikidata

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • RFC: Wikidata → OSM lookup table
  • Participate to the definition of the Wikimedia movement's strategy
  • The deadline for Wikimania talks submission has been extended to April 10th (check what we're planning around Wikidata)
  • Conceptual documentation for the Lexemes and examples (feel free to help translating)

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties: FI WarSampo army unit ID, KMRB film rating, FI WarSampo person ID, film script, volcano observatory, BoF person ID, Bivouac.com pass ID, Elle.fr person ID, Evidence & Conclusion Ontology ID, Parks.it ID, YerelNET district ID, The Numbers movie ID, S2A3 Biographical Database ID, Mapa place ID, Tax-exempt heritage asset ID, TV Guide show ID, original film format, Launchpad.net project ID, INEGI municipality ID, Safsal coach ID, Safsal player ID, Star Wars Databank ID, autonomous system number, Bureau of Meteorology station ID, Flora of Israel plant ID, Dictionary of Sydney ID, IPv6 routing prefix, rate of fire, Art Renewal Center ID, AnimeCons.com ID, Telegram username, BNA author ID, danskefilm silent film ID, danskefilm person ID, danskefilm film ID, CiteSeerX ID, Christie's work ID, Artnet artist ID, has active ingredient, active ingredient in, negative allosteric modulator of, positive allosteric modulator of, antisense inhibitor of, inhibitor of, disrupting agent for, blocker of, antagonist of, agonist of, activator of, PeakFinder ID, It's Rugby ID, Medieval Libraries of Great Britain Book ID
  • Query examples:
    • Time zones that are more than 12 hours away from UTC (source)
    • Countries which have the same name as their capital in their official language (source)
    • Roman amphitheatres on Wikidata (source)
    • Sluices on canals in Bretagne (France) (source)
  • Newest database reports: film scripts
  • Showcase items: Wressle Castle (Q8037764)

• Development
  • Fixing a bug that prevented users to edit descriptions in some non-latin alphabets (phab:T161263)
  • Worked on Special:NewLexeme which will be used to create new Lexemes for supporting lexicographical data (phabricator:T157973)
  • Aligned some more colors with Wikimedia color palete (phabricator:T151194)
  • Added more autocompletion for the Wikidata Query Service (phabricator:T150950)
  • Started working on support for Forms of words in the UI for supporting lexicographical data (phabricator:T160520)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals - proposals needing attention
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2017).

Administrator changes

TheDJ

Xnuala • CJ • Oldelpaso • Berean Hunter • Jimbo Wales • Andrew c • Karanacs • Modemac • Scott

Guideline and policy news

• Following a discussion on the backlog of unpatrolled files, consensus was found to create a new user right for autopatrolling file uploads. Implementation progress can be tracked on Phabricator.
• The BLPPROD grandfather clause, which stated that unreferenced biographies of living persons were only eligible for proposed deletion if they were created after March 18, 2010, has been removed following an RfC.
• An RfC has closed with consensus to allow proposed deletion of files. The implementation process is ongoing.
• After an unsuccessful proposal to automatically grant IP block exemption, consensus was found to relax the criteria for granting the user right from needing it to wanting it.

Technical news

• After a recent RfC, moved pages will soon be featured in a queue similar to Special:NewPagesFeed and require patrolling. Moves by administrators, page movers, and autopatrolled editors will be automatically marked as patrolled.
• Cookie blocks have been deployed. This extends the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user if they switch accounts, even under a new IP.