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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 13

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (February 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 13th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

I hope everyone is having a great year so far! --DannyS712 (talk) 15:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Readers who were not logged in briefly saw the interface in a language decided by their browser. It should normally be in the language of the wiki. This happened for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug. [1]

Changes later this week

  • If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You will now be able to choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This will be a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. [2]
  • When you asked for a new password you could see if the username didn't exist on Special:PasswordReset. Now the page will show the username you entered and tell you an email has been sent if the username exists. This is for better security. [3]
  • On Special:WhatLinksHere you can see what other pages link to a page. You can see if the link is from a redirect. You can now see which section the redirect links to. [4]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 March. It will be on all wikis from 5 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. You can give feedback. [5]
  • There is a vote on the creation of a new user group called abuse filter manager. The vote runs from March 1 to March 31 on Meta.
  • Advanced item wgMFSpecialCaseMainPage was used for the mobile site. It was deprecated in 2017. It will stop working in April. Wikis should see if they use it. If they do they should fix it. You can read more and ask for help. This affects 183 wikis. There is a list. [6]

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00:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Sailor Neptune

This was pure vandalism, and your edit summary was not necessarily helpful. If you had given them a warning they might have been blocked earlier, before one or two gross BLP violations. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT

Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. When the bot flag is set it will show up in this log.Enterprisey (talk!) 05:27, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

MajavahBot

Hi! Noticed there have been quite a few reverts over on EFFPR. Anything going on, or should it sort itself out normally? Enterprisey (talk!) 19:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I found an edge case when installing the bot on EFFPR, that has been fixed now. I was just typing a notice to WP:EFN when I got the notification for this message. Majavah (t/c) 19:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, cool. Maybe the timeouts should be increased from 1-2 hours to 12-24 hours in the configuration? (Although of course if EFFPR starts getting more traffic that should be decreased again.) Enterprisey (talk!) 19:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
You're not the first one to suggest longer archival times so I made them longer. Majavah (t/c) 19:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! By the way, Special:Permalink/944316623#Private filter 793 false positive (3x) might potentially be a mistake (i.e. bot forgetting to look at a private filter)? (Or maybe the edit just wasn't made, in which case feel free to ignore this.) Enterprisey (talk!) 02:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
The bot got confused there because that filter didn't follow the format. I think this is the first report I've seen that doesn't follow the format but if those will become more common I'll make the bot look out for that. Majavah (t/c) 08:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Human trafficking in Finland

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Human trafficking in Finland you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of David Fuchs -- David Fuchs (talk) 18:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • There is a new search word called articletopic. You can use it to search for articles on a specific topic. It is available on the Arabic, Czech, English and Vietnamese Wikipedias. It will come to more Wikipedias soon. [7][8][9]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 March. It will be on all wikis from 12 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • There is a plan for new requirements for user signatures. You can give feedback.
  • The Wikipedia Android app will do push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will come later this year. [10]

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17:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

MajavahBot uses collon on WP:EFFPR

Hey, I noticed your bot uses colons in it's responses on WP:EFFPR when setting the page name (1). But the Edit Notice of that Page suggests using lists (*) instead. You might want to change this. --Info-Screen::Talk 10:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

@Info-Screen: Hi. WP:THREAD states that a colon should be used and currently both are widely used so I don't feel it's worth the hassle to go and change it for a tiny, mainly cosmetic change. Majavah (t/c) 17:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
I looked through the archives of EFFP, where mostly * are used. On the other hand, if we change the examples in the editnotice that would probably change (I guess most just copy it from there). --Info-Screen::Talk 17:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, and User:DannyS712/EFFPRH uses *'s. Lists work great for list pages such as WP:AIV and WP:UAA, but for talk page like report pages (in my opinion) we should use indentation (:). Majavah (t/c) 17:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Human trafficking in Finland

The article Human trafficking in Finland you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Human trafficking in Finland for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of David Fuchs -- David Fuchs (talk) 20:41, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

MajavahBot feature request

Can it also add {{effp|private}} when relevant? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 04:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

@DannyS712: It actually already should do that but that feature has been broken for some time, I'll try to fix that today or tomorrow. Thanks for the reminder! Majavah (t/c) 07:48, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@Majavah: also, can I ask why the practice of keeping full archives was removed, rather than maintained in addition to the rolling archive? Ideally the bot would have a rolling archive, and from there move sections to a full archive, to allow searching archives (one of the difficulties at rfpp) DannyS712 (talk) 07:49, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@DannyS712: I don't think there really was a reason for that, it just seemed more logical to me; that can be fixed if needed. Also, can you implement Special:Diff/945727083 in EFFPRH please? Majavah (t/c) 08:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Advanced item There is a new API module for changing the content model of existing pages. Use action=changecontentmodel to specify the new model. You can read the documentation on mediawiki.org. [11]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 March. It will be on all wikis from 19 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • If you edit a page at the same time as someone else you can get an edit conflict. There is a new two-column interface to make it easier to solve this. It will soon be active by default on the German, Arabic, and Farsi Wikipedias. It will be on by default on more wikis within the next months. You will be able to opt out of the new interface. [12][13]
  • You can see a proposed design for replying to comments in an easier way.

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21:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Some development will be slower than planned. This is because of the current pandemic. You can see the new deployment guidelines. This is to avoid risks when some persons could be unavailable.
  • There was a problem when adding interwiki links. The tool you use to add interwiki links could suggest the wrong project to link to. This has now been fixed. [14][15]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 March. It will be on all wikis from 26 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • There is a project to make editing easier for newcomers. The developers are trying to understand what initiatives different Wikipedias have to welcome newcomers. They also want to know which templates are often used for maintenance activities. You can help this project by checking if your wiki's pages are listed on Wikidata.

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17:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 March 2020

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Tech News: 2020-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The beta version of the Wikipedia app for Android can now help users add tags on Commons. These tags are called depicts. [16]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 April. It will be on all wikis from 2 April (calendar).

Future changes

  • The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. The current beta feature will become the video player for everyone. The old player will be removed. [17]
  • There is a project to make templates easier to use. The next few weeks the developers will present ideas on the project page. You can watch that page if you are interested in giving feedback. [18]

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17:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 14

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (March 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 14th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Stay safe, --DannyS712 (talk) 05:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There was a problem with user pages not being shown properly on desktop. This was because of a bug. It will soon be fixed. [19]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 April. It will be on all wikis from 9 April (calendar).

Future changes

  • MediaWiki will use a newer version of Unicode. Some characters that did not have an upper case equivalent before do now. Titles beginning with one of these characters will be moved. A list of these titles can be seen on Phabricator. The titles will be renamed by the user Maintenance script. This will start on 13 April 2020. You can rename them before this if you wish and the new title can be different from the one the script would rename it to. [20]

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19:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Marcia Pally

Hi Majavah, I don't quite understand your removal of several external links. While the reference to the subject's own cv might be questionable as self-serving, it remains. The other links seem to be relevant to the subject's public activity, history and public image, and of general interest, although not things that would fit into the article itself. AlexaVamos — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexaVamos (talk • contribs) 16:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlexaVamos: Hi, please see Talk:Marcia Pally#links. Majavah (t/c) 16:43, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now use the articletopic search word on all Wikipedias. It searches articles by topic. [21]
  • You can see wiki tools in the new Tools Gallery. [22]
  • You can see edits from the Wikimedia Cloud Services in a new dashboard.
  • When you use filters on a history page you sometimes don't see any edits. There is a text explaining this now. Before it was just empty. [23]
  • There is a new Wikimedia Technical Blog. [24]

Problems

  • There was a problem with the Wikidata database last week. Some wikis went down for twenty minutes. Wikidata and other projects showed error messages. Interwiki links were not shown, some tools did not work and other problems. Some of this was fixed quickly. The developers are working on fixing the rest. [25][26][27]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from April 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from April 15. It will be on all wikis from April 16 (calendar).

Future changes

  • Some graphs have not worked on mobile. This will soon be fixed. [28]
  • The article tab on talk pages of redirects links to the target of the redirect. It could link to the redirect page itself instead. You can leave feedback on this.
  • For pages using syntax highlighting, the use of the deprecated <source> tag, as well as the use of the deprecated enclose parameter, will add tracking categories.

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15:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Olivier Varenne

Hi Majavah, Thank you for your comments on the Olivier Varenne page I have created and resubmitted for review. I have added all citations I can find and that are verified. Is there anything else I need to do? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubyocean (talk • contribs) 15:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Rubyocean: Hi, most of your sources are WP:PRIMARY. I'd recommend trying to replace most of them with secondary, independent ones. Majavah (t/c) 15:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Matthew Devereux Article

Hello,

In response to your message to do with COI, I am not in receipt of any payment from the musician in question. I don't appreciate the accusation given. I made this page to appreciate the artist and his work over the years. I do not know him personally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hibaesque (talk • contribs) 17:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hibaesque: Hello, then why did you tell me on IRC that you do know him? Majavah (t/c) 17:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
@Majavah: I knew him as in I've met him. I am not being financially manipulated nor do I work for him. I apologise for the confusion I just wanted help editing my page. I'm sorry for wasting your time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hibaesque (talk • contribs) 17:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
@Hibaesque: Thank you for clearing this up and apologies for the accusation. We tend to check just in case as it's unfortunately common trying to promote something here. Majavah (t/c) 17:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

About deletion template

Hay, do you see that someone has placed a delete template on the page AVR (2020 film), despite the page has media coverages. Please remove the template. Asomzz19 (talk) 16:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Asomzz19: Hello, even if you think that page should not be removed you are not allowed to remove that template. Instead, you should go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AVR (2020 film) and add a comment with your opinion. Majavah (t/c) 16:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

  • The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 4 May 2020.

Recent changes

  • Advanced item The small wiki toolkits is to help smaller wikis that need technical skills. They can learn and share technical skills. [29]
  • Advanced item Over-qualified CSS selectors in Wikimedia skins have been removed. div#content is now .mw-body. div.portal is now .portal. div#footer is now #footer. This is so the skins can use HTML5 elements. If your gadgets or user styles used them you will have to update them. [30]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

  • Some things on the wikis might look weird or not work in Internet Explorer 8 in the future. Internet Explorer 8 was replaced in 2011. [31]
  • The font in the diffs will change. [32]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 April next week. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 April next week. It will be on all wikis from 30 April next week (calendar).

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18:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 April 2020

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 15

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (April 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 15th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Miscellaneous

Hope everyone stays safe. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Some wikis will be on read-only for a few minutes on 5 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. [33]
  • Some wikis will be on read-only for a few minutes on 7 May. This will also affect CentralAuth. This can for example affect global renames, password changes, changing or confirming your email address and logging in to new wikis. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. [34]

Changes later this week

  • You can get a notification when someone links to a page you created. You can soon turn these notifications off for individual pages. [35]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 May. It will be on all wikis from 7 May (calendar).

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16:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Everyone can now import photos from Flickr to Commons with the UploadWizard. Before this only autopatrollers on Commons could import photos from Flickr. [36]

Problems

  • Commons will be on read-only for a few minutes on 12 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. [37]
  • Several wikis including Wikidata will be on read-only for a few minutes on 19 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. English Wikipedia will be on read-only for a few minutes on 21 May 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. [38][39]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 May. It will be on all wikis from 14 May (calendar).

Future changes

  • Advanced item JavaScript scripts and gadgets can no longer check multiple keys at once via mw.config.exists() or mw.user.tokens.exists(). You can use exists() or get() to check one at a time instead. [40]

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20:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

The Guidance Barnstar
Dear Majavah,
Thank you so much for the very prompt and most helpful guidance you gave me while you were manning the Help Desk, and also for all your other contributions to our encyclopedia. Please keep up the good work!
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 17:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Pdebee: Thank you, really made my day! – Majavah (t/c) 17:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You can choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This is a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. This is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. [41][42]

Problems

  • There is a bug that creates problems for iPhone users with iOS 13 and Safari. If you use an iPhone to read or edit Wikipedia and see bugs on the mobile site you can report them. [43]
  • Several wikis including Wikidata will be on read-only for a few minutes on 19 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. English Wikipedia will be on read-only for a few minutes on 21 May 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. [44][45]

Changes later this week

  • The Wikipedia app for Android can let users add depicts on Commons. The beta version used computer-aided tagging. This was removed to get more specific depicts. [46]
  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

  • Graphs will be rendered in the reader's browser. This will use Javascript. Graphs will hopefully work better for everyone who uses Javascript. It will not work for users who don't use Javascript. This will not affect diagrams in image files. [47]
  • Advanced item Some CSS for the skins has been simplified. This affects div#p-personal, div#p-navigation, div#p-interaction, div#p-tb, div#p-lang, div#p-namespaces, div#p-variants and div#footer. They will have to remove div. You will have to update your gadgets, scripts or user styles. This is so we can use HTML5. [48]
  • Advanced item Some CSS for the Vector skin has been changed. This affects #p-variants, #p-namespaces, #p-personal, #p-views and #p-cactions. They can no longer use > ul. You might need to update your gadgets, scripts or user styles. See how.

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17:19, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Your assistance with UTRS 2 has been a life-saver and you have shown over and over that you really put the effort in to go the extra mile. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 13:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! – Majavah (t/c) 13:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:Requests for unblock

I think that was one of the selling points of UTRS 2. That ADMINACCT would be served by allowing extended confirmed to view UTRS. Also, UTRS 2, last I looked, was open to extended confirmed. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 13:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: See this comment by DQ. – Majavah talk · edits 13:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

  • The visual editor will now work in the Modern skin. The changes that needed to happen for this to work could cause problems for some scripts or gadgets. [49]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from May 26. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from May 27. It will be on all wikis from May 28 (calendar).

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14:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Article declining

Hi, Majavah. I saw you declined my article. How can I make it better? --Bumsowee (talk) 13:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bumsowee: Hi, I declined User:Bumsowee/sandbox because it only contained the text hi how u duin. If you were trying to submit Draft:Languages of Central Asia for review, you have to add {{subst:submit}} to that draft. – Majavah talk · edits 13:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Majavah: Ok. will do. Bumsowee (talk) 13:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles for Creation: List of reviewers by subject notice

Hi Taavi, you are receiving this notice because you are listed as an active Articles for Creation reviewer.

Recently a list of reviewers by area of expertise was created. This notice is being sent out to alert you to the existence of that list, and to encourage you to add your name to it. If you or other reviewers come across articles in the queue where an acceptance/decline hinges on specialist knowledge, this list should serve to facilitate contact with a fellow reviewer.

To end on a positive note, the backlog has dropped below 1,500, so thanks for all of the hard work some of you have been putting into the AfC process!

Sent to all Articles for Creation reviewers as a one-time notice. To opt-out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Regards, Sam-2727 (talk)

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The Signpost: 31 May 2020

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Tech News: 2020-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • There is a new beta version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It has a new zoom function when you look at images. It can also suggest places when you upload geotagged photos. [50]

Problems

  • There was a problem with the Commons database on 27 May. Commons could not be edited for eight minutes. Because of this problem the database was moved. This caused another short read-only time on 29 May. [51][52][53]
  • The Vector skin had a problem where you couldn't add links to the article in other languages. You couldn't see the section if there were no links to other languages already. It also removed content translation links and links to language settings. This has now been fixed. [54]

Changes later this week

  • You can get a notification when someone links to a page you created. You can turn these notifications off for individual pages. You can soon turn them off also in the notifications you get. [55]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 June. It will be on all wikis from 4 June (calendar).

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22:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

After creating a page under the name of European War 6 it seems you have deleted it for forgetting to add references. Taking your criticisms into account I added a single reference, is this enough?-Thanks Ooh Saad (talk) 08:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ooh Saad: I'm not an administrator and I didn't delete your draft, I just declined it. You are still missing reliable sources as your article only has one primary source which isn't enough for WP:42. I'd recommend reading WP:NGAME. – Majavah talk · edits 12:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing it up! I'll try to improve! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooh Saad (talk • contribs) 13:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the Notability link, it really helped. I had to make do with a customer review, but they weren't really useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooh Saad (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

False positive archive bot malfunctioning

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives/Rolling_archive&action=history HotdogPi 22:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@HotdogPi: Interesting. I poked it with a stick and it's no longer clearly broken. I'll bring out heavier weapons if it still manages to break. – Majavah talk · edits 05:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Edits being reverted

Hi!

I'm trying to update the Olivia von Halle page and just wondered why my edits keep being reverted?

Thanks 84.13.94.133 (talk) 10:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC) Emma

Hi, how are you affiliated to them? – Majavah talk · edits 12:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I work at Olivia Von Halle, I am content coordinator so am trying to update our Wikipedia page to include our current brand information. 84.13.94.133 (talk) 13:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC) Emma
In that case, see WP:COI. You have to make a proper disclosure before editing. – Majavah talk · edits 15:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Some articles have tables that can be sorted in different ways. For example a list of countries can be sorted alphabetically but you can click on the size column to sort them by size. If you clicked on the column a second time it would sort the countries from the bottom to the top instead. A third click will now take you back to the original sorting. [56]
  • Self-closed tags now work as in the HTML5 specifications. This means you should stop using some of them. <b/> is an example of a self-closed tag that won't work. area, base, br, col, embed, hr, img, input, keygen, link, meta, param, source, track, wbr can be self-closed. Pages with tags that should not be self-closed have been listed in a tracking category since 2016. They will be listed in Special:LintErrors/self-closed-tag. This doesn't affect <references /> or <ref />. [57]
  • There is a banner called WikidataPageBanner. It is for example used by the Wikivoyages, Wikimedia Russia and the Catalan, Basque, Galician and Turkish Wikipedias. It will now been seen by mobile visitors too. Before this it was only seen on desktop. The wikis should update instructions on MediaWiki:Sitenotice so that editors know to test and style for mobile too. [58][59]

Changes later this week

  • Advanced item You can now edit MassMessage descriptions through the API. This is useful for tools and gadgets. [60]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 June. It will be on all wikis from 11 June (calendar).

Future changes

  • A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 118 wikis need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected. [61]

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21:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Asking for further help

Hello! You recently answered my Help Me! request on my talk page. I have a few follow-up questions.

  1. About templates stored in other namespaces, (given that their original codes include a category, such as the template {{User:Idell/Userbox ES}}): I want to use this template on a page without putting it under any category. I’m unable to make |nocat=true work in this case.
  2. The template link template {{tl|…}} doesn’t work on the aforementioned templates either. Are there any alternative method to get the same result?
  3. Can I create templates under the Template namespace (Template:…) as I desire? If yes, what could lead to their deletion?

I’m sorry for troubling you so much but I cannot find answers to these questions elsewhere. Your help is very much appreciated. Idell (talk) 14:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Idell: Hi and sorry for the delay.
  1. The template you've mentioned doesn't categorize anything, unfortunately I'm not sure what you're asking.
  2. You can use {{tlu}}. It's basically {{tl}} but for other namespaces.
  3. Unfortunately I'm not really sure on this. :( Try asking somewhere else. – Majavah talk · edits 18:14, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Advanced item Toolforge hosts several tools created by the Wikimedia community like edit counters or enhanced editors. It is changing the domain from tools.wmflabs.org to toolforge.org. The routing scheme is moving from tools.wmflabs.org/toolname to toolname.toolforge.org. You can read the details. Tools that use OAuth will have to be updated to keep working. You can ask for help.

Problems

  • There is a Wikidata item link in the sidebar on many pages. This disappeared for a couple of days for users who have the Monobook skin. This was because of a bug. It has now been fixed. [62]
  • Editing, logging in and logging out didn't work properly for a short period of time last week. It was soon fixed. [63]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 June. It will be on all wikis from 18 June (calendar).

Future changes

  • Advanced item Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will not support Python 2 after the new version in July. Support for Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 will also be dropped. You should migrate to Python 3. You can ask for help. [64]
  • The selectors .menu and .vectorMenu will no longer work in the Vector skin. This can affect gadgets and user scripts. .menu should be replaced by ul. .vectorMenu should be replaced by .vector-menu. [65]

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21:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020

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Discussions and Resources
  • A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
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  • A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
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Tech News: 2020-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There are some new tools to make it easier for newcomers to start editing. They are available on some wikis. These wikis had a problem with the visual editor for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug in the new tools. It was soon fixed. [66]
  • Advanced item Some user scripts and gadgets stopped working because of a change to CSS selectors. .vectorTabs should be replaced with .vector-menu-tabs to fix this. [67]

Changes later this week

  • The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This will be released on 24 June. You can give feedback. [68]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 June. It will be on all wikis from 25 June (calendar).

Future changes

  • A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 91 wikis still need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected. [69]

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18:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 June 2020

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Tech News: 2020-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Everyone was logged out. This was because a few users saw the wikis as if they were logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now. [70]
  • Some readers didn't see new edits to pages. If the page had been recently changed they saw an older version of the page instead. This only affected readers who were logged out. It lasted for ten days. It has been fixed. [71]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).

Future changes

  • The Modern and Monobook skins use the ID searchGoButton for the go button. This is searchButton for Vector. To have the same ID for all skins it will change to searchButton in Monobook and Modern too. This will affect gadgets and user scripts. It will happen on 23 July. They should be updated to use searchButton. You can read more and see a list of affected scripts.

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16:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 16

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past two months (May and June 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 16th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

If anyone else would like to contribute to future issues, please comment at Wikipedia talk:Scripts++. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Majavah/Aligner

Hi - I really like the idea of your user script, and I think it could really come in handy. However, is it meant to just be used on the classic edit screen, or Visual Editor, or the reader view, or some combination? Nothing I am trying is working... ɱ (talk) 21:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

​Hi! The script currently only works on tbe classic wikitext editor, and I'm working on making it work on the 2017 wikitext editor. – Majavah talk · edits 06:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Does it work for you in the edit window? I'm not sure why it's not working for me? ɱ (talk) 14:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
​Works just fine for me. Is the activation button (on the "More" menu on page top) visible for you? – Majavah talk · edits 16:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Still not working for me, and I even wiped my common.js and vector.js pages... The button does appear and give the 'successfully aligned' note, but nothing more... ɱ (talk) 17:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
​Interesting. What article is this on so I can take a look? – Majavah talk · edits 17:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
I've tested a few. Can you try East Broad Street Historic District (Columbus, Ohio)? ɱ (talk) 17:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
​I'm confused as it works just fine for me on that article. Does it say "aligned 0 templates" or "aligned 1 templates"? Can you check if anything appears in your browser's console (usually opens with F12)? Also what browser and what version of it are you using? – Majavah talk · edits 18:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
It says aligned 1. I'm using Google Chrome 83.0.4103.116, even on Incognito mode (disabling my extensions). Will try Firefox etc. ɱ (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Not working for me on Firefox or IE either. ɱ (talk) 18:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
​I probably should have asked before, but are you using any syntax highlighting tools (like WikEd) that mess up with your text box? – Majavah talk · edits 18:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Ah, yup, had to disable some of that. Is there some way for them to work together? I love how it makes links clickable inside the edit window, and some other features! ɱ (talk) 18:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
​There probably is a way to get them working, but I'm too tired too tired to take a look at the moment. I'll take a look tomorrow morning. – Majavah talk · edits 18:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! ɱ (talk) 18:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
​I've added WikEd support, let me know if there are any issues. You might need to WP:BYPASS your cache for the changes to take effect. – Majavah talk · edits 06:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Nope, works great, thank you so much! ɱ (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • The Score extension has been disabled for now. This is because of a security issue. It will work again as soon as the security issue has been fixed. [72]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 July. It will be on all wikis from 9 July (calendar).

Future changes

  • Abstract Wikipedia is a new Wikimedia project. It will collect language-independent information that can be easily read in different languages. It builds on Wikidata. The name is preliminary. You can read more. [73]
  • The iOS Wikipedia app developers are thinking about new experimental tools. If you use an iPhone you can help them by answering the survey.
  • Some rules for user signatures will soon be enforced. Lint errors and invalid HTML will no longer be allowed in user signatures. Nested substitution will not be allowed. A link to your user page, user talk page or user contributions will be required. You can check if your signature works with the new rules. This is because the signatures can cause problems for tools or other text on the page.

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20:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Olivier Varenne

Hi there, could you please advise me on how to edit Olivier Varenne's page so that it might be published? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:3706:4500:8837:5FC7:179C:5B0F (talk) 10:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Users can thank others for their edits. Checkusers can now see user data related to that action. This can help identify sock puppets who harass others using thanks. [74]

Problems

  • Everyone was logged out a couple of weeks ago to fix a security problem. The problem was not entirely fixed. Because of this everyone was logged out once again last week. [75][76]

Changes later this week

  • Wikis that are not for one specific language can translate pages. Sometimes parts of translations are outdated or missing. Outdated translations are marked with a pink background. Missing translations will also be marked in the future. This markup can sometimes break things. It can soon be disabled by using <translate nowrap></translate> on the source page. [77]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 July. It will be on all wikis from 16 July (calendar).

Future changes

  • Advanced item Wikimedia code review plans to use GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers. [78][79][80][81]

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16:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Quick note

Ping me if you'd like your page semi-protected. It's on my watchlist anyway. Glen 11:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

All good Lofty abyss beat me to it. Glen 11:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. The mobile main page special casing stopped working 14 July. 60 wikis now have main pages that don't work well on mobile. You can see which ones, how to fix it and how to get help in Phabricator. This is the same problem that was reported in Tech News 2020/24 and 2020/26.

Problems

  • There is a problem with the interlanguage links. The interlanguage links are the links that help you find a specific page in a different language. The sorting is broken. The developers are working on a solution. [82]
  • Some users keep getting the notifications for the same event. Some of these are old events. [83]
  • Some users have trouble logging in. This is probably a browser cookie problem. The developers are working on understanding the problem. If you have trouble logging in you can see the details on Phabricator. [84]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 July. It will be on all wikis from 23 July (calendar).

Future changes

  • There is a Printable version link. This will disappear. That is because web browsers today can create a printable version or show how it will look in print anyway. [85]

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19:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Music

This is one time, the sub of CLOVER, CLOVER Is a group in the Philippines. Under Korean Entertainment check out clovers single "Kumakabog Kabog" Onetime ph (talk) 11:43, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Onetime ph: You need to add independent, reliable sources that demonstrate that the group meets our music notability criteria or the general notability guideline in order for the draft to be accepted – Majavah talk · edits 11:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

OK but please accept now! Onetime ph (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The Starter kit is now available for wiki communities. This page lists technical resources, tools, and recommendations. These are essential to operate a wiki project. This is mostly useful for smaller wikis where the community has limited experience with this. [86]
  • The first features of the Desktop Improvements project are available for logged-in users on all wikis. In order to use them, uncheck Use Legacy Vector in your local or global preferences in section Skin preferences. More improvements are planned. Feedback is welcome.
  • Advanced item On multiple wikis, a UTCLiveClock gadget is available. For wikis that import the gadget directly from mediawiki.org, end users can now choose a different timezone to show instead of UTC.

Problems

  • Advanced item The deployment train for MediaWiki has been blocked this week. [87][88]
  • Translation Notification Bot was sending the same message multiple times to every translator. This has been fixed. [89]
  • Some users were receiving the same notification multiple times. This has been fixed. [90]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 29. It will be on all wikis from JUly 30 (calendar).

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13:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 2 August 2020

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Tech News: 2020-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • All queries to the Wikidata Query Service failed between 17:50 and 17:59 UTC on Thursday 23 July. Some queries failed during a longer period. [91]
  • Interlanguage links were ordered incorrectly for the past few weeks. This problem was also mentioned in Tech News two weeks ago. The problem is now fixed. [92]
  • There is a problem with the global preferences for the "Use Legacy Vector" option. Developers are working on fixing it. [93]
  • A bug in the Wikibase extension had disabled the "move" and "create" types of protection in the main (Gallery) namespace on Wikimedia Commons. New protections could not be added, and existing protections were not enforced, allowing some page moves and page creations that should not have been possible. This has now been fixed. [94]

Changes later this week

  • The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. This week, the current beta feature will become the video player for everyone on most non-Wikipedia wikis. The old player will be removed. [95]
  • Users' global.js and global.css pages will now also be loaded on the mobile site. You can read documentation for how to avoid applying styles to the mobile skin. [96]
  • Advanced item In the MonoBook skin, the searchGoButton identifier is now searchButton. This may affect CSS and JS gadgets. Migration instructions can be found in T255953. This was previously mentioned in issue 27.
  • Advanced item Bot operators can use Pywikibot to regularly archive discussions. The behavior when the bot uses counter to prevent large archives was changed. [97]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 4. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 5. It will be on all wikis from August 6 (calendar).

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15:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

MajavahBot auto scanning talk pages

Hey there, Majavah! Been a while! :)

I was wondering something. Would it be possible for your bot to be set up so it automatically scans talk pages and if it detects one exists, it "sets itself up" for archiving that page with some pre-specified settings (period, etc.)? I got the idea after monitoring IA Bot's contributions in the Albanian Wikipedia. We've set it to post talk page messages after it does anything and as you may already know, if you leave that option on, soon enough you start having big numbers of talk pages in need for archiving. I was going to ask if something could be done about it. Like using your bot to archive them in a different archive dedicated to IA Bot. But then I thought that even if the talk page wasn't created by the IA Bot, it would be nice if it could be set up automatically for archiving and I came here to ask you about it. I'm thinking mainly Mainspace but even some other tech-spaces could benefit from a function like that. If that's possible, if we could also have a dedicated IA Bot archive for mainspace that would be even better but let's ask for the basics first. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

​ I see what you mean by them getting long (that list has longest talk pages that are not subpages and do not contain a link to the archive config template). It shouldn't be that hard to write a separate script to automatically add the archive template to long pages if the community wants that. – Majavah talk · edits 11:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh yeah, we do so much! :P I can create a VP post about it if you want proof but, as we've talked some time before, in general, as much automation as we can provide, the better it is for us since we're lacking human resources in the tech things. What specifications are you thinking of? I mean, how many posts to let in the page after archiving, how often to archive, etc. Also, can anything be done about a "special" IA Bot archive? Or is that too complex with not much benefits? Ideally it would be like this: MajavahBot detects a post by IA Bot in a talk page and after a certain period of time has passed, it archives it in a special archive dedicated to messages like these. The archive somehow shows in the template for archives along the normal archive. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
​I think that technically it would be easiest to make the bot subst a template that contains the archival config template with some default settings to pages which need that. That would allow you (or other editors) to edit the defaults as necessary by editing the template. It would need some tinkering but it might be doable. – Majavah talk · edits 13:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Well, whenever you can help on that, tell me. Also feel free to tell me if I can somehow help by providing any needed information or anything similar. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
​Hi, I'll probably have time for this next week. Could you please create a page (a subpage of sq:User:MajavahBot, of course name it in your language) and add the archival config template and any other contents (the archive navigator for example) inside it so contents of it can just be appended to top of all talk pages automatically. – Majavah talk · edits 17:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I'm not sure I fully understand your request (because it looked too easy :P ). I made this page. It has the most common settings we use when archiving pages. Of course the name of the archive will change according to article's talkpage the bot is archiving. What content can I potentially add more than that? Any suggestions? Also, what name do you suggest for the bot's subpage? Can you give me one example in English? I'm not really sure how you plan to use that so I'm not sure about the name either. For now it's just "arkivimi automatik" meaning "automatic archiving process". I'd like the name to have meaning according to the page usage. Did I answer your request? - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Unrelated question: Archiving can be delayed for a particular thread by substituting the template {{DNAU}} into the thread. Use {{subst:DNAU}} to retain a thread indefinitely, or {{subst:DNAU|<integer>}} to retain a thread for <integer> days. see the template documentation for details about its use and function. Why would the template need to be substituted? Any particular reason? I want to add the following text to the bot's primal page so users know how to keep the bot away from a particular thread, if they so wish to. - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
​The template needs to be substed because the template just adds a timestamp (within a comment) in the future which makes the bot to not archive it because it's not enough time in the past. The bot does not actually try to look for any templates, it just looks for timestamps. I'll reply with more info about the configuration page later, can't do that currently. – Majavah talk · edits 19:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
​ The idea for the page is that I can just use a bot to add "{{subst:User:MajavahBot/Simple archive setup}} to top of all pages and it would just work adding the archive config and navigators etc. It can use some template tricks (I can help with those) to add the page name to archive config. I think that the current page name "automatic archiving process" is fine, as that's exactly what that template is supposed to do (automatically add everything needed to archive the page) – Majavah talk · edits 17:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, okay then. Tell me when we can go on with the next phase. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
​Hi, I think we can proceed. I have written a little script that can do this. Can you please translate an edit summary for these edits (something like Bot: Automatically setup archiving for this talk page)? – Majavah talk · edits 08:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
MajavahBot: Vendosja e faqes së diskutimit për arkivim automatik - It would be good if we could have the bot's name showing up instead of just "Bot". We do have that for other bots and it helps distinguishing their edits from one another. If that can be done, I'm thinking of changing the 4 TranslateWiki strings related to the bot to also include that name. If that can't be done, you can use Roboti instead of MajavahBot, which is the Albanian word for "Bot". But I strongly insist on using the bot's name.
Question: This header, the automatic archiving configurations, will be added at ALL main talk pages just as soon as they're created or is there a bit of discrimination? How have you designed that script to work related to this aspect? - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
​I was planning on adding the headers for talk pages that are over 5,000 bytes long (this is just over 5k bytes) as there is no need to archive every single talk page with a comment but it should catch everything that's at least a little longer. How does that sound?
For translations: the translations at translatewiki.net should not contain my bot's name. I could modify the script to replace the word "Bot: " in all edit summaries with "MajavahBot: " if you want. – Majavah talk · edits 12:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes and yes. The number feels right and that replacement could really help. Can we run 1-2 manual runs after you're done so we can sort out any unseen bugs/minor problems? Even though to be honest, I hope everything is all right because even 1 manual run would mean changing many pages the way it is designed. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

For technical reasons I'll be doing the tagging in batches, very likely at max 100 per day. There are currently 787 talk pages that meet the criteria so it will take just over a week to go thru the backlog. Is that an okay speed or do you want me to start slower? – Majavah talk · edits 19:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Can we do like 20 the first 2 times and then we go on at full capacity, whatever that is? - Klein Muçi (talk) 19:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
​Yes, sure. Are there any more questions or issues or can I do the first test run tomorrow morning? – Majavah talk · edits 19:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
No, everything's good. Proceed with the test whenever you're ready. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
​I did a test run of 20 pages (and I did one manually to test that the template works). List of edits the bot did is available here. If they look good, could you also add information about this auto-tagging to the bot's user page? – Majavah talk · edits 07:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Everything seems fine except for 1 problem. There are cases like this (see at the bottom) where articles have templates in their talk pages that shouldn't be archived. Other examples: Here and here. For the moment being, these talk page template messages aren't yet standardized for us and take different forms according to the one who makes them and their aim. We need to find a solution for those in general. After dealing with this, we may start the second 20 entries test, and after that I'll take care of changing the bot's user page. - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Given that I saw this page, maybe we can have another part where we can enter our templates and the bot will know not to archive them? Or maybe you can think of a better option? Maybe just making sure that the archive config. part is below the template is a better solution? - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

​We have article tags here on enwiki too. It would be technically challenging to not archive certain things due to weird edge cases (it's probably doable but I don't think it's a great idea if there are better alternatives). The bot won't archive anything that isn't in a section that has a timestamp. None of the pages you linked (or other pages I checked) have those templates in a timestamped section. Is that enough? One idea would also be to not tag any pages that do not have any sections. – Majavah talk · edits 12:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Ooh, okay then! Can you do another batch of 20 entries as a final test today? Then I'll take care of the changes for the user page and we can proceed with full capacity. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
​Sure! That script is currently running and will be finished in a minute or two. – Majavah talk · edits 15:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Just checked the new entries. They seem all fine so we can proceed with full capacity from now on. I also updated the bot's user page to include information about the automatic archiving process. I also included this page as a switch for that process. That's its function, no? Finally I protected that page so it can be changed only by admins/crats/stewards. I guess that concludes the work. Thank you a lot for helping our community for the third time now! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
​Great, I've set up a scheduled job to run the automatic archiving setup job every night couple of hours before the job that actually archives threads. I also changed the code to use "MajavahBot" instead of "Roboti" while saving archived pages. – Majavah talk · edits 16:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Final question: I believe the automatic archive set up process is only for mainspace talk pages no? If that's so, do you think that's enough? Or should we also include other namespaces and even subpages? - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

​Yes, it only applies to mainspace talk pages (NS 1). I think that's enough (that's the only NS that InternetArchiveBot posts in). If you need to have it on more namespaces just come back here and I can modify the script. – Majavah talk · edits 18:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Okay then. Thank you! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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For your help with the MajavahBot in SqWiki. We're really seeing the benefits now. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! – Majavah talk · edits 19:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with autocategorization

Hey there, Majavah! I'm trying to deal with a problem in SqWiki. Maybe you can help me with an idea since you deal with the tech stuff. This is not related to archiving or MajavahBot though.

In SqWiki we have +1 more CS1 citation error (compared to EnWiki). If you use a citation without setting the language, you get an error and the article gets automatically categorized here. We need it for statistical purposes. The problem is that, as you can see from that page, there are thousands of articles in need of a language parameter. Can you think of any way I can automatize this job somehow? Maybe with AWB or any kind of bot? Of course, manually is easy to do it. You just open the article, check the link used in the citation, determine its language and put it in the citation. But doing that thousands and thousands of times... That's time consuming, to say the least and impossible, to be realistic. Can you think of any way I can somehow lower that number with any kind of tool? - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: Some of them could probably be done with a bot and or a gadget similar to ProveIt, however that's not an area I'm familiar with and I don't have time to spend that much time on. – Majavah talk · edits 20:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry. I wanted just a general idea, if you had. Like, what would the bot look for (the pattern) so it could determine the language? Even for only some of them.
I wasn't aware of ProveIt functionalities. Maybe that can help a bit. Thank you! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
​ The HTML root tag (<html>) should have a lang attribute that could be used. For example this page has it set to en: <html class="client-nojs" lang="en" dir="ltr">. – Majavah talk · edits 20:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh... Interesting... I didn't know that... Okay then, thank you! :)) Maybe I'll find someone to help me with designing a bot regarding that attribute. - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, what does inherited notability mean? Does it mean that the observer should not have to deduce the relation, if so only monetary interests are linked on wikipedia. I can easily pay 10 journalists to write bogus news articles about things too, but I choose not to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raywalk (talk • contribs) 12:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

@Raywalk: It means that something isn't automatically notable just because it's related to/used by/etc something that is notable. For example albums aren't notable just because the artist who made them is notable. See WP:INHERITED for more details. Thanks. – Majavah talk · edits 12:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Well you could note the direction of inheritance should matter = One album might not be notable, but if one album is notable the author becomes notable by inheritance. In this case the product has 250.000 customers but the technology that made this possible remains unknown. That makes no sense to me. I think the major problems you guys have are 1) You think things become popular if they are good. 2) You wish for us to work on something while giving nothing back. That's not how the world works; good things almost never succeed and you need to allow drafts even without notability. Also you could learn about money and open-source and take responsibility, because the world is changing fast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raywalk (talk • contribs) 14:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, couple of points responding to your comments: 1) if one album is notable the author becomes notable by inheritance Not automatically, but usually artists that have received enough coverage in reliable sources for an album to be notable also meet the musicians notability guideline or the general notability guideline. 2) You think things become popular if they are good Wikipedia doesn't have articles on "good" things because we don't call things "good", we have articles on notable things where we summarize information from reliable sources. 3) You wish for us to work on something while giving nothing back Yes, most of Wikipedians edit as a hobby about things that interest us because we enjoy it. I'm not sure what you mean by you could learn about money and open-source and take responsibility, because the world is changing fast; Wikipedia is one of the world's largest open-source projects; we don't have any editorial staff and all technical costs are entirely funded by donations. – Majavah talk · edits 14:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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Your bot

This was very unhelpful. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll see if I can do something. – Majavah talk · edits 13:07, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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