User talk:Liusine

Hello, Liusine! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! — Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 10:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply] Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Hello, I'm Kudpung. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, as a professor in England how much do you know about Hohhot and Inner Mongolia? Did you show any civil manner when removing other high school’s Wikipedia file? Gentlemen, may I say that your comments just show your bias and discrimination towards Mongolians and Chinese ? Liusine (talk) 05:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hohhot No.2 Middle School is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hohhot No.2 Middle School until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Liusine! Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I see that an article you have worked on, Hohhot No. 2 Middle School, is nominated for deletion. As of now, it is looking like the article will be turned into a redirect unless you can demonstrate that the article meets the General Notability Guideline. Specifically, the issue with this article is that it currently does not have multiple independent, reliable sources. I want to stress the importance of the sources being independent, meaning that they should not have any connection to the subject. For example, since it is a public school, articles or information about the school from the Chinese government are not independent, and thus do not establish notability. You can read more about this at Wikipedia: Independent sources. For an example of a school article that uses multiple independent sources, see Stuyvesant High School. Notice how this page has many sources such as books and newspaper articles that are not affiliated with the school. To be clear: if you want to prevent this article from becoming a redirect, you need to add multiple sources to the article which are reliable and independent of the subject. Hope this helps! Stedil (talk) 12:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, Stedil, that following years of wrangling, a community consensus decided that primary and junior secondary schools are not notable simply because they exist. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stedil, thank you very much for the informative comments! I really appreciate your enlightening instructions and inclusive perspectives. If you have time, please feel free to visit Hohhot No.2 Middle School and check the sources. Google translate or Chrome browser work OK for this purpose. Liusine (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kudpung, please stop posting on my personal pages. I don't welcome your talking to others on my page because of your baseless accusations and bizarre excuses for insisting to removing a well-referenced Wiki page about a HIGH SCHOOL. Please show that you are UNBIASED! Please stop using the power as an editor or show any judgments/biases.

For example, you edited Hanley Castle High School which is a non-selective UK school. Sources claim that it is a top 100 UK school, while the sources I listed prove that Hohhot No.2 High School is top 100 high school in China. Since China has 20 times the population of UK, the Hanley Castle High School is about top 2000 high schools in China. Does that still sound notable to you? Do NOT challenge Chinese K12 education qualities.

Besides, the listed 2nary sources show that Hohhot No.2 Middle School has both junior and senior middle schools, and senior middle school=high school in China (the graduates directly go to colleges). Again, Kudpung only looked at the title and intentionally ignored multiple evidences and do not even bother to translate the abstracts/texts of the references! Liusine (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC) Liusine (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We have a policy here. You can read about at WP:NPA. A bit of friendy advice: tone down your comments on AfD regarding the editors here and your conjecture on things you know nothing about, otherwise you might find that an administrator might just take the initiative to stop you editing this Wikipedia. This is not a threat or a warning, I'm not an administrator, but editors often get taken to WP:ANI and blocked for much less. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kudpung, please first be mature and properly debate on the subject at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hohhot No.2 Middle School. Do not evade questions and looking for exotic excuses like you refuse to read/translate the abstract of my sources. You are trying to threaten me, and telling me that you as an editor won't be punished while I will get punished? For what, being a Mongolian/Chinese that love my culture? This will be my last ever response to you. I am no longer a Wikipedian~ Liusine (talk) 05:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As an example of your attack on me, please follow this link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools#Hohhot_No.2_Middle_School . Here is what you said, secretly:

""" Hohhot No.2 Middle School Watch this article please. It was already sneakily changed back to a non notable article from a redirect. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Am I, a PhD from a top US university, sneaky? [lol] Editor Kudpung, please be fair and use evidence-based arguments. Please answer my questions and give a real debate Liusine (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC) """ Liusine (talk) 05:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Luisine, I would recommend you heed the advice from Kudpung. You're really testing the patience of other editors. Jumpytoo Talk 06:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@@Jumpytoo Removed extreme words. If you see anything else need to be done, please let me know. I hope Kudpung will debate in a fair and logic way Liusine (talk) 06:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Liusine. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Hohhot No.2 Middle School, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. - Donald Albury 15:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Donald. Thanks for the advices. I am just an ethic Mongolian working in US. I have no COI with the Hohhot No.2 High School, nor is it in any way related to me. Liusine (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not for us. Some articles have different bars depending on the authors and source languages. Some editors are biased. It does not deserve my contribution. I won't donate a penny to it in future.

It is dead. Unfortunately. Liusine (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed some of my own repeating comments on a talk page, then some editor reverted my changes by verbally attacking me saying I'm "vandalizing the talk". Hahaha, so funny:P The more they bully me and use double-standards to remove Inner Mongolia related stuff, the less credible they make themselves look like. I don't care. To me, wiki is like a decaying fossil record and there's no place for it in the new generation. Liusine (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]