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Hello, I have seen you have removed my recent contribution to the subject. I previously added it to the Falkland Islands article and it was removed as it was apparently not deemed to be in the right place and was considered misreported. I then added it in the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute, with some balancing information and you removed it. However, my contribution was referencing original (UN) sources, in addition to the news media reporting the information. If you felt that the information was still misrepresented I understand that the normal practice on Wikipedia is to add balancing information rather than removing it outright. So I would ask you to do just that. I will repost my contribution, as I feel it is the right place and it is a useful piece of information for any user visiting that page, and I would encourage you to counterbalance that information if you personally feel it is not accurate.

Thank you. ESND (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:27, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello,

My reply to this is best placed on Talk:Falkland Islands Sovereignty Dispute. I see you've found it, so I'll assume we'll continue there. Thanks, Kahastok talk 20:31, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Kahastok. I understand Gibraltar is part of the British Empire and personally have no issue with that. The problem is that you are denying that Llanitos speak their own language as a vernacular, which is Llanito, and have done so for centuries, something akin to denying Hong Kong citizens spoke Cantonese during the British period. I can only assume you have never been there otherwise you would not push such an opinion. I go there often and can assure you most people over 40 speak quite poor English. I think it is unfair you attempt to deny any part of the United Kingdom its unique culture on the basis of fear of territorial claims by x country. I have to say it smells of hyper-nationalistic (to put it mildly) POV pushing which has no place on wikipedia. Gibraltarians can remain British while conserving their language, heritage and culture, no need to worry.Asilah1981 (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I think it sounds like hyper-nationalistic POV on your part as it appears that you are claiming that the Gibraltarians are all Spanish really and just being difficult over sovereignty for the sake of being difficult.

If you were able to provide a cite to a reliable source, of course, that would be a different matter. But the fact that you have now repeatedly refused to do so does not persuade me not to push back on this. Kahastok talk 12:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok. You are wrong on this, I will simply provide sources. Asilah1981 (talk) 12:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

If you disagree with removal of uncited content, finding sources to demonstrate your point should be the first resort, not the last resort.

And now that you've added sources, you need to do better than that. Pointing at an offline book is fine, but you need to give page numbers and (if requested) quotes. Pointing at a source in another language is fine, but you need to give me - and anyone else who wants to check this - a bit of help in understanding which text in the source is supposed to be backing which statement, including a translation if requested. I have noted on the talk page a section where I believe that the text you have added does not reflect what is in the source. There are still problems here that very much need to be resolved before I will be happy to consider this closed. Kahastok talk 13:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Kahastok I wrongly assumed you don't speak Spanish so I added the original books (in English) rather than the quote in Spanish in another article. I have no also added the article which quotes them. Lipski is from 1987. I have also added a very indepth study of use of Spanish and English among young gibraltarians done in 2000. Again, it is in Spanish.Asilah1981 (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I refer you to my previous message, specifically the part that says: "Pointing at a source in another language is fine, but you need to give me - and anyone else who wants to check this - a bit of help in understanding which text in the source is supposed to be backing which statement, including a translation if requested." Kahastok talk 16:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Kahastok You need to write my name if you want me to be aware that you have answered me! You were right about the sentence, I accidentally misrepresented what is says exactly so have removed it. But the general line of the article does go in that direction. Sadly, I think it is not possible to google translate. As I mentioned, for me this is not political but I have been to Gib a dozen times (last time maybe 5 years ago) and I know the place quite well. I personally think the place should stay British, because its what makes it unique. But trust me when I tell you locals are very Andalusian and, at least the older folk really disliked English expats by what I remember, whereas ironically they had no beef with their Spanish neighbours (just the government). I remember many speaking awful English, and others feeling really uptight when speaking it. Its as the sources say, for them its a "political" language and a language of government. Maybe like the Queen's English would be in one of the British colonies in the Caribbean. Its an interesting place, particularly if you know both languages and cultures. Things are probably changing now though, kids now speak English natively - but that is a natural trend pretty much everywhere. Asilah1981 (talk) 17:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WP:3RRNB, which you may be able to comment upon. WCM_email 13:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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You need to stop reverting at this article unless you can make a case that your actions meet any of the exemptions described at WP:3RR. Continued reverting jeopardizes your editing privilege. Tiderolls 21:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I've reverted twice today - as compared to four times for Asilah I think - but I will avoid reverting again. I think your best option may be to protect the article though as at History of Gibraltar this has been the only way to persuade Asilah to discuss the edits s/he wants. Thanks, Kahastok talk 21:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Different options are being reviewed. Please be patient. Thanks Tiderolls 21:41, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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Just found that DeFacto has been unblocked. Amazing, after all that, I'm gobsmacked. WCM_email 08:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh and check out Talk:Gibraltar, I'm convinced thats Imalbornoz. WCM_email 20:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I was there when he was unblocked. The conditions are quite hard - a topic ban on units, no alternate accounts, 1RR, that sort of thing. As I said on another talk page a month later, the rules are that anyone can change. But DeFacto did make the effort to address the issues that led to the unblock, and he did accept the conditions the community proposed. Kahastok talk 21:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Don't remove my entries just because you dislike Hamilton. It provides historical context of his career and enriches the information given as it does not appear elsewhere in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ar558 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. Regarding your request, to not go OT in an already very "choral" ANI report in which I may only participate further in order to defend myself from some, IMO, "wrong views" of Iñaki on me, yes: racist is a stronger word than campaigner. However, I have to be frank regarding Gib: the drama, walls of talk-page text and time wasted in order to correct the nonsense of the moriscos in history of Gib was silly. Very silly. And the rejection of mentioning (not even in the lead) Minorca in Disputed status of Gibraltar based on specific secondary sources on the topic (one of them already cited) and later the ask for a re-write based on secondary sources was demoralizing. And I am only taking about the two issues I took a glance on and commented on them, I suspect Asilah has met more similar situations regarding Gib. Merry Christmas.--Asqueladd (talk) 22:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Iñaki has not expressed views on Asqueladd at any length - only that he was WP:CANVASSed by Asilah to the Basque discussion, which is Asilah's fault, not Asqueladd's. He's said a lot about Asilah. This is not the first time you've confused the two.

I'm afraid I have no intention of changing my views on the policy issues here. The fact that Asilah believes himself to be correct does not absolve him of the need to assume good faith, to avoid personal attacks and to stick to our sourcing requirements, including in the matter of due weight.

If Asilah wants discussions to go more easily, then there are things he can do to make them go more easily. Consensus is nigh-on impossible when you have one editor who is continually issuing personal attacks and accusing the others of being "activists" or "campaigners", or similarly accusing them of bad faith. If Asilah wants people to work constructively with him, he needs to work constructively with them. I've tried to work constructively with Asilah, but when he then accuses me of being the devil incarnate or something, because I do not instantly agree to unreasonable demands, it does not make me feel I want or need to do him any favours. Kahastok talk 10:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I have mistaken nobody here, mate. Aside from having indeed referred to me and my edits in every WP:ASDFGHJ available in Wikipedia jargon, Iñaki is actually using a "what the fuck has happened" wrote by me in the user talk page of a third party as serious breach of etiquette/sign of "verbal incontinence" in an ANI report. About the last part, no problem, whatever floats your boat. Best regards--Asqueladd (talk) 15:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I am not your "mate".

"Whatever floats your boat" is one response. But note that if editors like Asilah are not willing to behave in line with Wikipedia standards, the community is likely to start telling them they aren't welcome. These aren't rules you can ignore when it pleases you or when you think you're right in a content dispute or whatever. Kahastok talk 17:02, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Fair then. I find odd you are more rigid than a non-native speaker when dealing with the casual term for adressing a male you do not know his name. Again, your reasoning is so sound I might even be tempted to recycle it at some point in the future (properly attributing it to its author, :) ). Nothing more to add, user. See you next time!--Asqueladd (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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