User talk:Harshalrach

Hi, appreciate the work that you have done for British Pakistanis, Other White's etc. Would it be possible to do a demographic distribution image for the entirety of the UK instead of just England? We could use these on the Demographics of the UK page as a summary gallery for population distribution for each different ethnic classification. Not sure if this would be useful as due to boundary changes some counties have been spilt or merged but an blank SVG file of UK's counties are here in 2020 if you would like to give it a go. Appreciate the work nonetheless. Tweedle (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you so much for reaching out! I could absolutely do it for the rest of the UK, especially since the vast majority of the ethnic minorities live in England so it would largely be a matter of copying over. Additionally, thank you for supplying the starting map. Harshalrach (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's perfect, thank you ever so much! For good measure I have gone ahead and added your maps to the Demographics of England page under 'Ethnicity -> Population distribution'. Could I also ask what software you are using to create these maps? I assume you might not have all the time in the world to create loads for Wikipedia and I would like to do create some maps for population density and change etc. for the new 2021 census. Do you do manually colour in the percentages for each local authority (if so what software do you use) or do you run some sort of code? Thanks in advance once again. Tweedle (talk) 10:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I use Adobe Illustrator, as I find it is the best map to manipulate .svg files. I get the data from NOMIS(https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/census/2011) and InFuse(https://infuse2011.ukdataservice.ac.uk/InFuseWiz.aspx?cookie=openaccess). In the latter, it produces an excel sheet, so it is easier to sort values and shade from there. Harshalrach (talk) 00:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maps that cover more than just England are good, but please don't create them by using country of birth data for one part of the UK and ethnicity data for another as you did with File:Counties of the UK Polish.svg. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:01, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There does not appear to be a better way to go about that. Polish is obviously not a specified ethnicity in England and Wales for 2011; the write-in polish population in 2011 was about 500,000, while the number of people born in Poland was about 700,000. While inconsistent, I find that going by ethnicity data would result in a severe undercount of nearly 200,000 Poles in Britain. I do not find a better way to represent this data. Harshalrach (talk) 00:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I could change Scotland to also be by country of birth if you'd like, but I honestly think that would not be necessary. The goal of the map was to get as close to the true number of ethnic Poles living in Britain as possible with the data available, and I find that the method in which I made that map is the best way to achieve that. Going by COB in Scotland would undercount another ~10k Poles. Harshalrach (talk) 00:40, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's a violation of WP:SYNTHESIS to combine two different measures. Using country of birth data for Scotland would be far preferable. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:30, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it, but from reading the policy it appears that it is mainly applicable to quoting a primary source and drawing your own conclusion from it. I did not try to draw any conclusion from the data, and the sources used were extremely similar nonetheless. Harshalrach (talk) 00:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to take this to a noticeboard for further discussion, but in my mind combining two different definitions of what constitutes a Pole from different primary sources into a single measure is synthesis. See also WP:CALC, which states "Editors should not compare statistics from sources that use different methodologies".

On a different note, I think it might be worthwhile shading Northern Ireland in a different colour, so it's not shaded to match the 0.0%-0.99% key. Could grey be used for this purpose? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:08, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't fear! I have managed to find online via the NISRA website a table of Northern Ireland's different local authorities in ethnicity figures, it can be found here if you like to view (link seems to not work now so go here then follow the link to the NINIS site -> page 9 -> Ethnic Group: KS201NI (administrative geographies)). No clue why it isn't included on NOMIS or Infuse though I reckon it might be because of Northern Ireland's different census group classifications. The table actually roughly correlates with the current maps to be fair due to virtually no ethnic minority residents but can still be used nonetheless. Hope this can help. Tweedle (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would also be good to clarify what the geographic units are. The file names suggest counties, but there are far too many of them for that (see Counties of the United Kingdom). Cordless Larry (talk) 15:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am fairly certain the geographic units on the baseline map are unitary authorities/local authority units (what Infuse seems to call it so I would probably go with that). Tweedle (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The blank file I used to make the maps(provided above in this discussion) was titled "Counties of the UK". I'll admit the title confused me too, and on InFuse they are called regional authorities, and so I did describe my maps as that on any pages they were used (see British Indians, for example). But I wanted to keep the title consistent with the file I got the boundaries from. If you find it confusing, feel free to file a rename request for it. Harshalrach (talk) 18:58, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For ethnic groups that are consistently demarcated across the UK's constituent countries, you are right in that there is virtually no change from my current map, which can be verified from the table. But thank you Tweedle nevertheless for finding that table. Harshalrach (talk) 19:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Harsalrach ji, plz have a look at those wiki pages. She have been continuously editing the pages without providing any credible sources/references to her claim. She have been continuously changing the infobox numeric digits of Hindus and Muslims wiki pages without giving any credible source.

Plz have a look at her activities -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindus

Recently she have edited the Muslims wiki page which I have reverted and tagged it under Unsourced edit. Pitush Puttar (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that she makes unsourced edits too. I try to revert them wherever it is not backed by a source. Harshalrach (talk) 02:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the table even needed. Frankly it looks out of the place in the article and looks like WP: OR. I think this issue might require another method of arbitration bc there is no will to find consensus at all. Maybe an RfC? Chefs-kiss (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't planning on putting the entire table with the religions for West Bengal, Bangladesh, and Tripura in the article, just the subsequent percentages so that we wouldn't have to worry about the numbers, which have been the main contention. I was hoping that it wouldn't have to go up the chain of dispute resolution as this is really not a complex issue. The unwillingness to find consensus really stems from not taking into consideration a lot of Wikipedia's rules like WP:Verifiability. There was even a WP:3RR violation at first, actually. With Wikipedia's policies it would seem that totaling up the census results from the same year should be the most reasonable solution, though. Harshalrach (talk) 05:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to refer you both to another method because there is no want for consensus. 3O requires compromise which clearly isn't being attempted Chefs-kiss (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I just have a couple of comments about your maps.

• You need to make the sources of the data you are using clearer when you upload the map
• Using data from censuses of England & Wales should never be described as UK data. If England & Wales is all you have, then produce a map of England & Wales, and name/describe it as such.
• You cannot extrapolate, or combine sources from different parts of the UK, to make any assumptions about UK data.

Thanks. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 13:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I apologize for the confusion. The map I made on Mixed British was not only for England and Wales, in fact, no local authority in Scotland or Northern Ireland had a Mixed percentage that exceeded 1%(I believe Edinburgh, with the highest share of Mixed Scottish people, fell just short of that number in 2011). I always color gray any regions where data is not available(as a result of a discussion you can still view above). I do always attempt to state somewhere that my maps are from the 2011 Census; however I can take any additional steps you'd like for that point(specifically, I get the data from InFuse, which is a service of the 2011 census). As for the last part, I don't believe I've done that recently, as all my data comes from the same 2011 census website, but let me know if I made that mistake somewhere. But thank you for the feedback. Harshalrach (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Harshalrach good work with your maps its really nice to see other people contributing to demographic maps on here! If you get time, would be great to update the religion maps for demographics of london etc I have managed to get as far as ward level but your more detailed maps like you made for London Romanians would look better I think. Maybe use same colours as 2011 ones if it helps (Jewish and Sikh have been given same colour so maybe use aqua/teal colour for Sikh as I think that works well usually to contrast with other colours). Keep up the good visualisations! BritishSikh (talk) 21:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for the encouragement! I unfortunately haven't been getting to as many maps as I should have been lately, I'll try to start back up again. I hadn't thought of doing religion maps, but that is definitely a good idea as I know that such visualizations existed for the 2011 Census. The geographic units that I used were Lower Statistical Output Areas, or LSOAs, which are one level lower than wards and usually available for csv download on the NOMIS website if you're interested in exploring the data! Harshalrach (talk) 07:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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