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Hi Epic Genius,

Thank you again for reviewing the Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater Restaurant article during its peer review. I have nominated the article for a featured article candidacy. Might you be willing to contribute to the discussion there? Any comments you might provide would be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 16:05, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

@Neelix: Thanks for the notification. I've been away for the past two weeks, but I should be able to comment on the featured article candidacy. Epic Genius (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Hello Epicgenius:

This week's voting for TAFI's upcoming weekly collaboration has begun at Week 20 of 2015. Thanks for participating!

Hi, why'd you take off my picture of the main 34 St page? AahdTahar (talk) 23:30, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

@AahdTahar: The license isn't valid. The image is copied from this copyrighted page. There is no indication of permission for free use or even fair use. Epic Genius (talk) 23:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I now noticed that's a photo I downloaded off google, the one I took almost looks exactly like that one, so I got them confused on which one I uploaded.

@AahdTahar: Next time, when in doubt about an image's copyright status, don't do it. It causes all sorts of copyright problems. Epic Genius (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I knew that had a copyright, I uploaded that one by mistake. But no hard feelings right? AahdTahar (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@AahdTahar: Nope. By any chance, do you have any images you took yourself? I have a few images, but they are not good. Epic Genius (talk) 00:35, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Yes I do, I will upload them now. And happy opening of 34 St day! :D

@AahdTahar: You too, I guess. ;) Epic Genius (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject World's Oldest People. Legobot (talk) 00:03, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

RE: Category:African-American_cemeteries Given your contributions and experience on wikipedia, I'd like to pose this question if I may: I am interested in documenting the growing number of rural African-American cemeteries, personally my focus would be Hudson Valley or NY State. Of course many old African-American cemeteries were not marked or not marked well and have been left "undiscovered" for a century. There has been more attention to these recently in Mid-Hudson Valley NY (Mt Zion in Kingston rededicated, "Section E" in Rhinebeck assessed, Kinderhook and I see others coming into view). Two questions. 1) Notability. These for the most part would not be Nationally Registered historic places, but collectively they add up an unarticulated history of African Americans in rural NYS in the 18th and 19th centuries that has not been documented. 2) If qualifying as notable, should there be a new category that would recognize this distinction, such as "African-American rural cemeteries" or "African-American rural cemeteries in NY State." Thank you.WindingRoad (talk) 14:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@WindingRoad: Given the circumstances, I think you should make two categories: one for nationally recognized African-American rural cemeteries, and another for African-American rural cemeteries in New York that are not nationally recognized, but are still notable. I say that if there's enough info on a particular cemetery from several sources, the cemetery is notable. If not, you can combine the information in a list of African-American rural cemeteries in New York. Epic Genius (talk) 14:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your removal of the image from List of Liv and Maddie episodes, it is actually listed in a separate NFR template if you scroll down. Though it would be more ideal if the template supported listing multiple articles. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks like there is {{Non-free media data}} for that, actually. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: Oh, now I see. It didn't occur to me before when I loaded the first half of the page. Thanks for the notice. (Seriously, though, is the logo necessary for that article? The respective show's logos don't appear in other episode lists; e.g. File:MightyMed.jpeg in List of Mighty Med episodes, or File:Lab Rats Logo.png in List of Lab Rats episodes.) Epic Genius (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

It makes the article a bit nicer, but I'm not sure, maybe we should be minimizing the use of non-free images to just the main article. nyuszika7h (talk) 08:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: I agree, we should probably minimize the use of the non-free logos to the main article. Epic Genius (talk) 14:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Epic, if this JoesphBarbaro cat is a respected colleague of yours, I wonder if you might consider explaining Wikipedia life to him. His behavior has been extraordinarily poor, primarily centered on hot-headed edit wars, and then deflection of responsibility with attacky diatribes like here and here where he calls another editor a "snitch" in spite of his own edit-warring. If you have his ear, perhaps the sage advice will sound better coming from you. Just a thought. Hope all's well, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I'm doing fine; how are you? Yes, he is a... regarded member of WP:NYCS. It may or may not work, but I will try explaining these policies to him if I have time. Thanks for the message. Epic Genius (talk) 12:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

There might not be an intuitive time to talk to him, so I won't propose one. Coming off a block he might be a little on edge. My concern is that although I know he tends to make strong edits, the behavioral issues and anger are not conducive to a community project. Anyhow, thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

No problem. If he doesn't get blocked before Monday, maybe I can talk to him. Otherwise, I'm busy. (And did you really insult him, @Cyphoidbomb? You know that's a no-no...). Epic Genius (talk) 16:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Where did I insult him? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Did you call him a "cat"? If that was an accident, then it was misinterpreted as a personal attack. Epic Genius (talk) 16:43, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

That wasn't an accident, it's innocuous slang equivalent to "dude" "guy" "fella". See See definition 3a. The fact that he mistook it as an insult is only a testament to what appears to be a battleground mentality. In contrast, please note these comments from him at Commons. Anyhow, it wasn't my intention to get you caught up in this ridiculous high school drama. I thought maybe if you had a moment when the time was right, you might drop science on him. (More slang.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Epic Genius, it's fine. Just forget me bringing up the "cat" part in the older head's post. He's just mad because I've been spending all my time "edit warring" without solving it with discussion (which is what I am trying to do). I think it's best that I solve it on my own via a consensus. I'll forget about this Cyphoidbomb swine. He's nothing to me anyway. He should have never started this conversation. JoesphBarbaro (talk) 17:01, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Yeah, I knew what "dropping science" means. I usually use more homeboy slang like "guy", "dude", etc.

@JoesphBarbaro: Maybe you should calm down a bit and edit NYC Subway articles for a while. Later, when you're calm, you can edit the TV episode articles. If you have a dispute, please use the articles' talk pages. I'm sure Cyphoidbomb and others will be happy to discuss it with you. Epic Genius (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Epic Genius, yeah...looks like it's best if I just stick to the New York City Subway articles for the time being. I doubt this grown Cyphoidbomb guy and the others get rid of their never-ending blocking mentality though. They can't even do something simple such as just protecting the pages, but instantly resort to blocking me for this and blocking me for that etc. Tired of them blocking me for everything. I should have never edit anywhere else outside of the New York City Subway articles from the get-go. I haven't realized these things would happen. JoesphBarbaro (talk) 17:11, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't always make sense to protect an article when one person is being disruptive. Focus on improving your behavior, then we can discuss complaints you might have with administrators' actions. As previously noted, when numerous people tell you that your behavior is problematic, a reasonable person takes this information to heart and tries to avoid the problematic behavior. An unreasonable person deflects responsibility and points over here and here with complaints of "but you should have done this", "but what about what this other guy did". You are in complete control of how you will be treated here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:10, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Joseph told me to tell you, EpicGenius thanks for everything. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: No problem. Please tell him I'm sorry he is indefinitely blocked, but I liked working with him over the past 2 years. Epic Genius (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Indefinitely does not mean permanently. However, he has an enormous amount of introspection, changing, and apologizing to do before he would be welcome back, and given his complete inability and/or refusal to participate in a civil manner in spite of numerous patient attempts to guide him, the odds are not in his favor. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, @Cyphoidbomb. While I know that his wiki-etiquette needs a lot of improvement, I think his article contributions are pretty good. IMO, he should be welcome back, but since Wikipedians are unblocked by policy rather than other editors' opinions, I guess Joe has a lot to work on. Epic Genius (talk) 20:10, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Alfie Kohn. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. 32.218.40.10 (talk) 20:46, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Your edit (and corresponding edit summary) was uncalled for, as the links still worked even after my edit. Also, I did not become uncivil toward you. I simply mentioned that you were acting like a douche. Epic Genius (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

There, you did it again. 32.218.40.10 (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

There, you're being confrontational again. Why don't you stop acting like a jerk and discuss correctly? Note that I didn't call you a jerk. Epic Genius (talk) 20:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Calling other editors "idiot", "douche", "acting like a jerk" - Obviously you don't have a clue as to what WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF mean. 32.218.40.10 (talk) 21:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh, not other editors. Just you. And these aren't personal attacks; I simply told you how you shouldn't be acting, and you took the bait. Joke's on you. I never violated WP:CIVIL in this conversation.

By any chance, are you related to this user? You two might be friends. Epic Genius (talk) 21:24, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like you have a long history of bad behavior. 32.218.40.10 (talk) 21:37, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Not going to cast aspersions here, but I think you are related to that user. You two are friends, right? (Well, since I geolocated you guys and looked up your contribs, anyway....) If so, I'd like to have a nice long chat with you guys about it at Talk:Stevens Point, Wisconsin. Epic Genius (talk) 21:40, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

WP:IDENTIFYUNCIVIL:
1. Direct rudeness

(a) rudeness, insults, name-calling, gross profanity or indecent suggestions

(b) personal attacks, including racial, ethnic, sexual, disability-related, gender-related and religious slurs, and derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities

(c) ill-considered accusations of impropriety

(d) belittling a fellow editor, including the use of judgmental edit summaries or talk-page posts (e.g. "that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen", "snipped crap")

It's OK to say sorry. 32.218.40.10 (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

OK then. I guess I'm sorry for comparing your and your friends' behaviors to those of a "jerk", "douche", and "idiot". Your turn to apologize because I was right about the JSTOR thing. It's OK not to. Epic Genius (talk) 21:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that apology was real, in case you're wondering. Epic Genius (talk) 22:05, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hi! On AfD discussion you have tagged several opinions of several editors (including mine) with SPA template. I have now read WP:SPA from beginning to end and I can't find any support for SPA tagging opinions just because editors have less than 100 contributions when opinions are non-disruptive. This essay specifically says that users with 3 or 4 edits are not necessarily SPAs and that SPA tag should not be user without "good reason". Nor can I find any policy or guideline saying that editors with less than N contributions should be put under scrutiny, but please enlighten me, if needed.

Please note that I'm not taking this SPA tagging personally; quite the contrary. My point is that drive by shooting several editors with SPA shotgun could be considered disruptive and someone else might take tagging as an insult. Politrukki (talk) 01:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@Politrukki: Thank you for the note. Yes, I did tag editors mainly based on edit count ({{spa}} was intended for editors who made "few or no edits outside this topic"), but also on edit frequency, registration date, etc. If they recently registered, this gives support to {{spa}}, since they did make "few or no edits outside this topic". If not, they were inactive for a long period of time, so they still made "few or no [recent] edits outside this topic".

The addition of {{spa}} isn't an accusation of wrongdoing, though, nor does it nullify the !vote. (I apologize if anyone is offended by that, and I will remove the template if anyone requests it.) On the contrary, the template simply alerts the closing admin to consider the !vote carefully. Epic Genius (talk) 01:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Several of the tags likely should not have been added (imo), i.e. editors based on a count below 100 edits where they had made numerous edits on varying topics. The "criteria" of being "inactive for a long period of time" is /not/ a reason to use the tag - under "Who not to tag", "Editing time line" states "Users with a diversified edit history that become inactive for an extended period and later re-establish themselves with single subject edits. Note that a time gap in edit history may be evidence that the person was referred to Wikipedia by an outside source, but it isn't evidence that the person is an SPA." Addition of the tags is why I came to this talk page to express that it seemed a bit disruptive to see multiple tags added and to express concern about the tags in at least two cases, notably Kleinebeesjes, and Politrukki for reason given in Politrukki's comment ("user should not be tagged as an SPA just because they only have a handful of edits." (Adding) Another was Muscat Hoe.

99.170.117.163 (talk) 08:20, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@99.170.117.163: I did mean to tag @Muscat Hoe because it seemed like they didn't have god grasp of policy. If you feel that {{spa}} was unwarranted in any of the instance, please feel free to remove it. Epic Genius (talk) 12:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry mate. I'm a bit new to editing wikipedia and as you can see, I'vent got an account yet. I posted a little blurb under the popular culture section on of the page Apophis concerning the asteroid. It wasn't a test or anything, I was trying to call on somebody who has better article typing skills than I to reference a song by the band Plant Eater titled Apophis. I realize now that this might be a tad bit insignificant as the song hasn't garnered any widespread attention. I don't know what to do how how to do, so I guess I'll leave it up to you to decide on whether or not this should be an edit/entry.

76.246.236.82 (talk) 03:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)8:06 PM 9/22/2015

Dunno how to sign a post.

>Link to song, and I promise I'm not just trying to promote the band. https://soundcloud.com/planteater/apophis

• Hey 76.246.236.82, I'm glad you came here for help. The article Plant Eater (song) does not exist, and it does not have a reliable source either. As per Wikipedia guidelines, it may not be significant enough to add to the article, though I'm sure the song is great. (I have yet to listen to it.) Epic Genius (talk) 12:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

It looks like 173.3.223.188 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has been adding the reference section to month articles for quite some time now. I did notice that some of the older month articles, particularly in 2004, used to have reference sections that were populated, but they certainly make up the vast minority. All other month articles don't have them nor would I suspect them ever to have references. In some cases the references are included in each news story. I've reverted some but won't have time to revert them all. Wondering if you'd be willing to have a look. Mkdw^talk 19:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mkdw, thanks for the notification. I'll keep out an eye for this user. Meanwhile, it doesn't look like any of the other edits by this user, so far, are unconstructive. Epic Genius (talk) 23:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Saturday October 3: WikiArte Latin America Edit-a-thon @ MoMA

You are invited to join us for a full Saturday (drop-in any time!) of social Wikipedia editing at the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) for our upcoming "WikiArte" Latin America Edit-a-thon, for Wiki Arte y Cultura Latinoamericana, a communal day of creating, updating, improving, and translating Wikipedia articles about Latin American art and culture. Saturday October 3 WikiArte Edit-a-thon @ MoMA (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 11:00am - 5:00 pm (drop-in anytime!) at MoMA Cullman Education and Research Building, 4 West 54th Street All are invited, with no specialized knowledge of the subject or Wikipedia editing experience required. We will provide training sessions and resources for beginner Wikipedians, WiFi, reference materials, and suggested topics, as well as childcare and refreshments. Please bring your laptop, power cord, and ideas for articles that need to be updated, translated, or created. You are welcome to edit all day or drop by to show your support, and to follow #WikiArte on social media! Trainings for new and less experienced Wikipedia editors will be offered (in English) at 11:30 a.m., 1:30 p.m., and 3:30 p.m. Tutorials and resources in Spanish will be available online, and participants are also encouraged to work on the Spanish and Portuguese language editions of Wikipedia. We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC) P.S. Next event, October 15 - Women in Architecture editathon @ Guggenheim

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FYI, the AWB script doesn't work, or at least it doesn't with RegexTypoFix and "skip if no changes made" checked. I know you didn't make the script, but the person who did is, for all intents and purposes, mostly retired from editing. I know you've adapted the script so it shows up under "tools". Can you troubleshoot it? --I dream of horses (talk to me) (contributions) @ 02:23, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: I'll look at it later. I think this version of the script is mainly to "find-and-replace", but I will see what I can do. (I'll be very busy, though, so please be patient.) Thank you. Epic Genius (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I've been waiting for a few months for a Mac-compatible, AWB-like regextypofix script. I can wait a little more. --I dream of horses (talk to me) (contributions) @ 02:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

If you have patience, all the better for you. It may take a while. Epic Genius (talk) 02:54, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: I found the source code for the regex replacement. It is here. It's very late at where I am currently, so I can't look at it right now. Epic Genius (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay, take your time. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{Ping|I dream of horses}} to your message. (talk to me) (contributions) @ 11:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of broken A/C, I heard that in the summer they change the use of the R32s. I'm not sure how this could be but I took that they use them less (at least on the C) because of the higher number of tourists at this time. Sounds a bit like pessimistic b.s. to me but now that A/C is mentioned in the article it's worth a look into. B137 (talk) 21:35, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@B137: Regarding that... since 2011, the MTA has switched the R32s onto the J-Z and A trains during the summer precisely due to the air conditioning issue. I talked to someone on NYC Transit Forums, and it turns out that it's to give the AC systems a break so they don't have to us so much power in the tunnels. Hence, the use of R32s on elevated lines. (It actually has very little to do with the number of tourists, actually.) Epic Genius (talk) 21:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Do you know if the replacements, allegedly in 2022, are supposed to be the next order (R211 (New York City Subway car)), or just more R179s. Because I was almost certain it was the 211 but the 211 page doesn't even give a timeline for them. This reference (http://web.mta.info/mta/budget/july2015/MTA_2016_Prelim_Budget_Financial_Plan2016-2019_Vol2.pdf - search "2022") doesn't state clearly whether it will be more, delayed 179s, or that the 211s are scheduled to debut in 2022. As I understood it, even though there have been delays with the 179s, they were still going to debut in 2017, only there were other places they were needed more than R32 replacement, similar to what happened to the 160s that were supposed to replace all the R32s. B137 (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@B137: The R160s replaced the 44s because the 44s were in worse shape. Now, the 32s and 42s are in pretty bad shape, so they'll be replaced by 179s, I think for the J-Z, C, and Q trains. But if they keep some 32s around, the 211s will replace both the 32s and the 46s because the 46s are nearing retirement age, too. The 179s have to debut in 2017 or else the Second Avenue Subway can't open. Epic Genius (talk) 23:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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You undid my edits. I believe you were in error. 1)I corrected the information about the Chief Law Enforcement Officer. I used a valid source from 1941, which is commonly cited by judges, but there are numerous sources that state the Sheriff is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in a jurisdiction.

2)I removed a statement which was both dated and biased. The statement was not neutral, and was based on an editorial, which was itself based on old data. 946towguy (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I will reply on your talk page. Epic Genius (talk) 17:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

If you are intending to revert all my edits because of a personal preference then please advise, and I shall stop making any further changes. Thank you YeldraY (talk) 13:06, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

@YeldraY: Actually, I do not have any personal preference. I am actually combining your ref groups, as they are redundant, and adding {{sfn}}/{{sfnp}} and {{refn}}. You can keep editing. Thanks, Epic Genius (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

It's no big deal, so I've done a full reversion to before I started making the changes. YeldraY (talk) 13:13, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that we could keep the revised version, but if you want to... OK. Epic Genius (talk) 13:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)