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Phoeniconaias genus article...

... is now a thing. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG: serendipity! :} --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I saw your edit comment when you added the little bit about the extinct species, so but this on my mental to do list. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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How to do ellipses

Please read MOS:ELLIPSIS.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddy1: noted (but see the the sub-heading two down - on using square brackets. Not quite as cut and dried as you may think). I agree the box is superfluous if we have the quote in the text as well. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On the Trumpeter swan article...

Is it not hard for you to write which scientists said this in the article you linked? Or at least attach a more primary source rather than a newspaper article? I am following the conventions given under "Unsupported attributions," which gives examples of weasel words such as, "scientists claim," "research has shown," etc. The wording which you defend in Trumpeter swan is almost verbatim one of the listed examples of weasel words (i.e., "scientists attribute..."), and so it might not match Wikipedia's manual of style.

These are not my subjective standards; these are Wikipedia's own standards. While I am not necessarily disagreeing with what has been written there, it helps to write which scientists have put forth which results, since they can look further into that scientists' work and also compare these in cases where scientists might disagree. Also, it would help if the source you put there were at least an actual scientific journal article (e.g., the ones that the New York Times article might be sourcing) rather than the New York Times itself, as more mainstream, non-technical newspapers are definitely not immune from featuring views which may not represent the consensus within a certain academic field. Lastly, you say that, "Readers can check the source," but somebody who is not a New York Times subscriber is going to get paywalled.Lisztrachmaninovfan (talk) 06:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very curious why the line referring back to iNaturalist was removed as being 'unreliable '? Is it because anything on iNaturalist is unreliable or that Associate Professor Tanya Latty who is running the project that I linked to is not credible? perhaps should I have referenced T.Latty in more detail about the statement ? I am very new here and am genuinely seeking guidance.. cheersEdisstrange (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Edisstrange: yes, iNaturalist is crowd-sourced, which makes it an unreliable source for factual claims (just as Wikipedia itself is ineligible as a cited source, for the same reason!) That said, plenty of species articles have iNat refs in them to provide images or to show a map of reported sightings - while not strictly by the book, these are generally accepted because the chance of false content is low (i.e., it's likely that the aggregate of these sightings does give a reasonable distribution map, even accounting for errors). But single statements like "this was the first recorded sighting since XXXX", as was used here, would need a more reliable source. - If that re-sighting has been taken onto a university website or similar and a reliable 3rd party has thus taken ownership of the claim, maybe you can use that as a reference? Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying and clearing that up ! Cheers Edisstrange (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Extortion by eunuchs in India

I have read Vanamonde93's reply that he/she mentioned. I have linked artivcles where Eunuchs killed two newborn babies, and also killed a man for not paying money. I don't understand why he says that is not extortion but harassment, begging. Most likey they don't check all sources properly. I have also mentioned about arrests, public protests.


I didn't mention vernacular media as I found English media.


These are the articles I didn't mentioned, but linking here.


Why eunuchs are allowed to extort money? asks Lokayukta-https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/why-eunuchs-are-allowed-to-extort-money-asks-lokayukta/articleshow/35749004.cms Lokayukta is government.


As I have linked many articles, where the name of the topic is extortion, here the word extortyion is used within the article not heading.--India's estimated 50,000 eunuchs are at a crossroads of survival in their shadowy half-world of superstition and extortion. --https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/08/07/indias-eunuchs-have-fallen-in-esteem/7779c281-15a0-4fac-8b7f-69db60d4d17c/ Rambo XTerminator (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copying this to the project talkpage, since that is where the discussion is happening. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TY

TY for the edits on Bombus crotchii; I tend not to think of "overcitation" as being template-worthy but made a bunch of smart changes. I stand corrected. jengod (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All good :) Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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At article Human

Hi, thx for your restore. My edit removed a period ("."), somehow my edit was on an older version of the article (it was weird, I saw that text flash as the edit processed, I ignored it but shouldn't have, should have checked this edit history after; still don't know how I got entered into an older version). Apologies. Again thanks. --IHTS (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, okay, that explains it :p --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh now I know. (I entered the article via a link from WP:CLASSES where the article was listed as example of a class B article. (That link no doubt took me to status of the article when was class B. Noticed the class was "Good" not "B" after my edit, surmised the info at CLASSES was out of date, my wrong surmise.) Now am wiser. Thx again. --IHTS (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you revert my edits on the Wikipedia article giraffe? In your edit summary you said it was about the genus not the species, if it's about the genus why does it have a binomial name which is Giraffa camelopardalis? If it is really about the genus then what is Giraffa camelopardalis, is this not about the species? I'm confused, please explain. Dancing Dollar (let's talk) 10:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dancing Dollar: check out the Taxonomy section for the attendant complications (for that matter, the lede explains this as well). Giraffe classification vaccilates between one and nine species or subspecies, plus there's a bunch of fossil species. All of these are known as "giraffe". We've also had numerous discussions on the talk page about how these variations in classification are to presented across articles. The current phrasing has been chosen to prevent the reader from assuming that this article is about one species only, or that it is even clear that there is only one species. This cannot be really be communicated in a taxobox, which is why that sticks to the basic binomial setup, but it can be done in text, which is why the article does not start off like a typical species article. I would suggest that if you feel strongly about this, you take it to the talk page? Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for explaining, I understand now, and I won't bother with the Taxonomy of the giraffe. Dancing Dollar (let's talk) 11:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stalking?

Why are you going to all my contributions and reverting them? Feels a bit like stalking. You said things like "low quality" which is a personal opinion maybe but the videos are in high resolution 4k and clearly show the behavior of the subject of the articles. Not every Wiki user has seen these birds in real life, and a video helps to illustrate motion/behavior etc. Please justify yourself before further stalking my contributions. Thanks. Nesnad (talk) 11:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC) Hmm. I noticed now that you also reverted my goldfish contribution etc too. This clearly feels targeted. Have I offended you? Lets discuss it. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nesnad: I noticed you adding material of doubtful quality and therefore checked your other contributions, and found more of the same (most of these articles are on my watchlist anyway). That is not WP:STALKING and you would be well advised not to bandy this accusation around without cause. - As for the quality of these videos, I disagree that shots of birds walking or flitting around in a cage are high-quality or even substantially informative additions to these articles. The video added to golden pheasant for example consists mostly of cage bars blurring past while a pheasant takes a few steps behind them. That's an indifferent and uninformative home video that should not be taking up screen real estate in an encyclopedia, especially in articles already well supplied with image material. The goldfish is gasping in place in a bare aquarium - how is that useful information for the reader? Creators of images, videos or artwork are frequently least well placed to assess the suitability for use on WP because they obviously have a creator's attachment to this stuff. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you the god of deciding quality though? A fence makes something have no quality? You might be very familiar with these animals and so it might not have "value" to you, but to someone who hasn't seen them it shows movement, shape and qualities that a photograph can't convey. I really don't understand the Java sparrow deletion. If your problem is a fence, there was no fence? It shows how the birds behave and interact. If you think they are not high enough quality, go take your own videos and add those. But unless you can explain how they are not valuable I think they should be added back. Not everyone is an expert on bird motions or whatever you are claiming to be. So don't go around harassing me because you want to belittle my contributions (which I have no "attachment" to, I took them for Wikipedia--- to add to it's value not my value... as the main page says Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." It's not about some weird "must have television quality visuals only" or something? The whole point is the democratization of knowledge. I will add the videos back if you don't disagree with me helping to share knowledge with the world, Nesnad (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nesnad: Building a well-constructed encyclopedia is not congruent with the "everyone dumping all possible content on a page" approach you seem to favour. We all make value judgement about suitable material, all the time, and the way to resolve these issues is input from multiple editors. That is why we should be having this discussion on the affected articles' talk pages. However, no one is going to start a pro forma discussion for every revert they make, only if it is necessary. Hence: if you are so resolved to reinstate your material, I will revert it again, then kick of a discussion at the relevant talk page. At which time the matter will remain in abeyance until resolved by consensus (see WP:BRD).--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see you two editors are arguing about content on Wikipedia, so how did this all begin? On one hand we have Elmidae the reverter and on the other we have Nesnad the provider of videos. Elmidae seems to be pissed off by the addition of videos on articles while Nesnad seems to think otherwise. I used to have these kinds of fights with my wife but it stopped thanks to a third opinion, so maybe that's what is needed here. So first of all, Nesnad why are you adding videos? That's what your contributions are all about and Elmidae seems to be reverting a fair amount of these edits. Just be on good terms with each other, I think it might be helpful if you guys just stop this until you come to an agreement. This situation is like when there's an art project and one of the artists wants to add glitter to the project but one artist keeps on removing it so they eventually come into conflict. But ask yourself this question, Have you ever felt like you know you’re right, but the other person doesn’t understand? In this case just compromise, for example Elmidae can say "Maybe you're right, not everybody may be an expert or know how these creatures move" or Nesnad can say "Maybe Elmidae is right, maybe my videos are low quality". If not these, you can simply utter the words "I understand", these powerful words can have an effect but it doesn't you agree. I said what I had to say, if you can't agree then disengage. Dancing Dollar (let's talk) 19:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dancing Dollar, good thoughts. For my side, I don't want to provide low quality video so if Elmidae can point out if they are too low resolution or whatever I'm ok with not adding them. But complaining that the video isn't good because the fish is in a small tank (which many goldfish are, this isn't an encyclopedia of feel-good videos, it is about describing the creature) or that the animal is pacing in a cage (many do, once again) seems just to be emotional attacks on the content, nothing to do with them not helping to illustrate the articles. So I don't understand the gate keeping. To the point, I am open to a discussion on the matter but don't like unilateral "I am god of these articles!" kind of attitudes, that's all. Elmidae, no hard feelings to you as a person of course. I'm sure you are a great person. I just was rubbed the wrong way about your dismissal of the value I was trying to add. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not interested in turning this into some grand contest of wills, and explaining a valuation of an image/video as unsuitable for an article is, from experience, a fruitless exercise if the other party does not want to look further than a higher resolution value. That's why we get other people's estimation at the relevant article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are still being combative. You went through all of them and deleted them, why is it too much work to tell me why you they they have no value? I am willing to listen. Why is it your choice to delete it but we have to debate it on the talk page to add them back? That still paints you as Wiki-God. Don't understand your power trip. I'm trying to be fair and discuss it with you, and you are just trying to act like judge jury. I'm confused. Nesnad (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bacteria not validly published

Wikipedia has hundreds of articles on bacteria that are "not validly published" according to LPSN (I'm not sure what the SN in LPSN is actually supposed to mean: I would say that names that aren't validly published don't have any "Standing in Nomenclature"). I'm not supportive of creating stubs for species that that aren't validly published, but I'm not sure that all such articles should be deleted, or that "not validly published" status in LPSN is sufficient grounds for deletion (on the other hand, SPECIESOUTCOMES can't be applied as a reason to keep). To pick a couple species that aren't validly published: Mycobacterium orygis is a human and veterinary pathogen; Achromobacter obae has had the complete genome sequenced (although that also true for many other species these days). I think these are likely notable species. And it's not just species; there are a number of higher level taxa that haven't been validly published, most notably, Bacteria itself, but another is Class Tissierellia. I am having more trouble finding invalidly published higher taxa than last time I browsed LPSN, but there are still some out there (until fairly recently, phyla weren't covered by the nomenclatural code, so there were no phyla that were validly published until October 2021, also see a https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/newly-renamed-prokaryote-phyla-cause-uproar-69578 news story] about phyla names), but Wikipedia had articles on bacterial phyla before that (albeit under different names).

Not being published in IJSEM is a major reason why many names listed in LPSN aren't validly published, but IJSEM does regularly publish lists validating names published in other journals. The purported publication for Saccharopolyspora salina has numerous problems and I think that it is OK to delete, but using "not validly published" as a criterion for deleting bacteria article could end up leaving Wikipedia with holes in the higher taxonomy of bacteria. Plantdrew (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Here I thought we had specifically been using "not validly published" as a deletion criterion in the past, but maybe I have conflated that with related reasons. There's a bit of a hybrid zone between "validly published" and "widely accepted/used/recognized", I guess, where corner cases may arise. Well, that's why we have these discussions - so the corner cases can be argued :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Jungle Book and the Second Jungle Book

How are they NOT adventure novels? Just curious. (12.138.16.154 (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)12.138.16.154)[reply]

They are short story collections; and some of the stories are adventures, some are fables, some are allegorical, and some are satires. Definitely not "adventure novels". --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian white ibis edits

Hi I am new to wiki and tried to add a citation to support my edits but didn’t succeed. The citation would be a PhD thesis from the University of Melbourne by KW Lowe “The feeding and breeding biology of the Sacred Ibis (sic Australian White Ibis) in southern Victoria”. 1984. Hoping you can re-instate my edits and advise how to add the citation. Cheers. Dribis (talk) 02:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dribis - that works. I've inserted the reference. It's a pity it is not freely available online, though. Did Lowe not publish these findings in a paper at some point? He seems to have made quite a career out of this species :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Crotalus Oreganus

Hello Elmidae,


I saw that you reverted my edit on the page Crotalus oreganus. Given that there are numerous other articles on species where the common name comes before the scientific name, I would like to have your opinion on why this page deserves to be written differently. I'm open to listening to anyone of your reasoning.


Sincerely, BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BlitzkriegCat: The convention is that the first sentence of the lede attributes the text to the name of the article, then other names. That means that if the article name is "Common name", the first sentence usually goes "Common name (scientific name) is a ..."; if the article name is "Scientific name", then it usually goes "Scientific name, known as common Name, is ...". You might agree that this is a sensible arrangement to spare the reader needless puzzlement. If you think that for this article it should be the other way around than currently in use, that would be an argument about moving (i.e., renaming) the article itself to the common name. However, that is not entirely straightforward, as Crotalus_oreganus#Common_names will show, and I would argue against any such proposal. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Elmidae Alright then, I can buy into this convention. BLITZKRIEGCAT (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you check, please?

Hello :-) Worked hard to add another article about a super rare disease: NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy). But where if not here? People need to know. Would you be so kind to check it? As far as I understand this is necessary. Thanks a lot! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BenjaminFeldman: I'm currently seeing two issues with the article: one, the sourcing needs to be improved. More than half of the sections do not have a single source. This is especially crucial for medical articles because they are subject to stricter guidelines (WP:MEDRS). Second, it is not entirely clear to me that this is a recognized condition on its own, rather than just a coincident combination of separate conditions. The only source that seems to treat it as an entity is Jakovleva et al., as far as I can see (this source is in there twice, BTW). If the name is not in common usage, then that would be a case of synthesis on your part, which is not something we can do here. Can you show some sources that specifially discuss "NG-Cytopathy" as a discrete condition?
Because of the sourcing issues, I have moved the article to draft for the time being (Draft:NTBI-Glycolysis-Cytopathy (NG-Cytopathy)) where it can be worked on without pressure. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. This is a very recent finding. Therefore, let’s delete the draft, please. I will wait a year or two until more studies are on the table, and then write a new article. It’s an extremely rare condition, therefore we have time. Most likely there will be way more works on it in the near future. By then the terminology should also be more reliable. Therefore, could you pls. delete the draft? I was a but too early I guess. I am professionally so much into these topics that in this case I was not strict enough towards myself. Thanks again! BenjaminFeldman (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:There is no deadline :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! As you can see I am not experienced at all in this space here. I will definitely wait for more paper/studies etc. to be published. Whenever one is professionally involved in such topics one might forget that what is crystal clear for oneself might be too early for an encyclopedia. At least as long as there is not a coherent terminology and some papers are stuck in the peer review process. One tends to forget that the general public who is the audience here needs that clarity. I have the topic on my agenda and will see how the situation looks like in a year or two. There are other topics that have also to be added to Wikipedia, more established ones. To bring them in is better invested energy I guess. I thank you for your guidance. Have a pleasant day. BenjaminFeldman (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Baltic sea

Hello, Elmidae,

I do not understand your revert on this page.

no part of Ukraine is part of the drainage divide of any river flowing into the Baltic Sea (See : Drainage divide). You revered my correction without explanation, so I guess you have a different definition of what constitutes a basin country ?

thank you in advance.

  SarmentFurtif (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SarmentFurtif: in such cases, check the referenced source, which for this statement is this. You can see that parts of western Ukraine are within the drainage basin - not much, but it does go a hundred or so km deep along one sub-system. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pileated woodpecker

Hi Elmidae! A colleague at the place where I work pointed me toward a citation on the "Pileated woodpecker" page which seems to be bogus ("Woodpecker excavations promote tree decay and carbon storage in an old forest"); this citation was added by Filippetr2 back in March. After doing a quick search for it and realizing that the DOI was misassigned and the title did not yield any hits, I removed it. We suspect this was an AI-generated citation. Either way, I removed it and made a note on the WP:LLM talk page. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about this?--Gen. Quon[Talk] 14:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gen. Quon: beats me, frankly. I just went looking after this as well when I saw you remove it. Not only does the DOI point somewhere else, but no issue in this year of the paper's run has page numbers > 600, whereas this is stated to be in the 700s. It's nowhere in the adjacent volumes either. So, yeah - a hoax. I have no idea what the point of that was, seeing that the attributed statement seems credible and quite uncontroversial. Thanks for verifying! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Titanis by Augustios Paleo
List of lorisoids by PresN
List of storks by AryKun
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Stramenopile by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Fritzmann2002
Titanoboa by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by SilverTiger12
Antarctopelta by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Anna Blackburne by Kusma, reviewed by Etriusus
Anomochilus leonardi by AryKun, reviewed by Amitchell125
Nyctibatrachus manalari by AryKun, reviewed by Sammi Brie
Mimodactylus by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun, reviewed by Etriusus
Anomochilus weberi by AryKun, reviewed by Etriusus
Plant by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Cessaune

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Polar bear by LittleJerry
Mimodactylus by FunkMonk
List of cercopithecoids by PresN
List of tapaculos by AryKun
Klallamornis by Larrayal
Hypericum perforatum by Fritzmann2002
Holozoa by Snoteleks
Teloschistaceae by Esculenta
Carcharodontosaurus by Augustios Paleo
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Could you check, please?

Hello :-) Would you be so kind to check the new article Oshtoran Syndrome. I worked hard on it and it would be a pity if it ends in the unchecked desert. And please, no internal link to PANS. Therefore the link to Standford. This topic has, for reasons only the Lord knows, been a battleground in the English Wikipedia of which the new article should not become a part of. Thanks so much in advance -BenjaminFeldman (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

about philippine eagle diplomacy

those are sourced from the website of the philippine eagle foundation. specifically for the pair which goes into more detail into them. what makes you think its unsourced?? Kurt247 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

cmon answer something Kurt247 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Article talk page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Polar bear by Little Jerry
Ohmdenosaurus by Jens Lallensack
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Teloschistaceae by Esculenta, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
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Carcharodontosaurus by Augustios Paleo, reviewed by SilverTiger12
Life by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
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List of hominoids by PresN
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List of tarsiiformes by PresN
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Mountain pigeon by AryKun
List of tarsiiformes by PresN
List of hominoids by PresN
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Lycorma meliae by Etriusus, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Oak by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Esculenta
Animal echolocation by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Primium
Elke Mackenzie by Esculenta, reviewed by Moriwen
Dwarf pufferfish by Primium, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
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Hypericum sechmenii by Fritzmann2002
Teloschistaceae by Esculenta
Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun
List of sunbirds by AryKun
List of platyrrhines by PresN
Handicap principle by Chiswick Chap
Slime mold by Chiswick Chap
Punctelia by Esculenta
Pulchrocladia retipora by Esculenta
Anaptychia ciliaris by Esculenta
Mocquard's Madagascar ground gecko by Olmagon
Zavodovski Island by Jo-Jo Eumerus
Chrysothrix chlorina by Esculenta
Wood-pasture hypothesis by AndersenAnders
Mammalian kidney by D6194c-1cc
Lepas testudinata by Etriusus
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Math

[1] Hi!

I reverted back because it is impossible per our normal definition of the term in science.

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Edit in Schneider Electric page

Hi @Elmidae, Thanks for reverting the last addition done to Schneider Electric page related to AECOP information. Would it be possible to replicate that change also un the French version of the page (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Electric) Thanks in advance! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Beatriz at Schneider Electric: I hesitate to go reverting things on a WP project where I have no standing and can only just decipher the text (school French only goes so far...). Cross-project reverting has a tendency to attract criticism, for good reason. I suggest placing an edit request on that talk page and pointing out that this type of edit violates WP:UNDUE (that concept exists on all language version - here is the French one: [2]). What I find really descriptive here is our WP:Coatrack essay, but I don't believe that exists on frWP. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Elmidae, thanks a lot for your quick answer. I fully understand. I'll ask the French wikipedians to check the content. Thanks a lot for your guidance too. That helps a lot. Have agreat day! Beatriz at Schneider Electric (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hypericum sechmenii by Fritzmann2002
Nyctibatrachus major by AryKun
List of platyrrhines by PresN
List of gymnosperm families by Dank
Varroa destructor by KoA, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Lepas testudinata by Etriusus, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Island bronze-naped pigeon by AryKun, reviewed by SilverTiger12
Placidium arboreum by Esculenta, reviewed by SilverTiger12
Orange-billed lorikeet by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Spinular night frog by AryKun, reviewed by An anonymous username, not my real name
Crested cuckoo-dove by AryKun, reviewed by Femke
Aristonectes by Amirani1746, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Mocquard's Madagascar ground gecko by Olmagon, reviewed by Etriusus
Femoral gland by Esculenta, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Ameerega munduruku by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Snowy plover by Jens Lallensack, reviewed by SilverTiger12
Crested cuckoo-dove by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo
Wood-pasture hypothesis by AndersenAnders, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Hypericum bupleuroides by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Etriusus
Teratoscincus roborowskii by Olmagon, reviewed by Esculenta
Pulchrocladia retipora by Esculenta, reviewed by Etriusus
Anaptychia ciliaris by Esculenta, reviewed by Jens Lallensack

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Snowy plover by Jens Lallensack
List of birds of Bouvet Island by AryKun
Laomaki by An anonymous username, not my real name
Nyctibatrachus robinmoorei by AryKun
Nyctibatrachus sabarimalai by AryKun
Nyctibatrachus mewasinghi by AryKun
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Snowy plover by Jens Lallensack
Teloschistaceae by Esculenta
List of birds of Bouvet Island by AryKun
List of sunbirds by AryKun
Slime mold by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Esculenta
Handicap principle by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Etriusus
Insect by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Iztwoz
Wheat by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by KoA
Eucalyptus gomphocephala by Hughesdarren, reviewed by Grungaloo
Buellia frigida by Esculenta, reviewed by J Milburn
Nyctibatrachus robinmoorei by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo
Nyctibatrachus mewasinghi by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo
Nyctibatrachus sabarimalai by AryKun, reviewed by Grungaloo
Great cuckoo-dove by AryKun, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Lake Patzcuaro salamander by Etriusus, reviewed by Grungaloo
Anoplotherium by PrimalMustelid, reviewed by 20 upper

Newly nominated content

Alpine ibex by LittleJerry
Pseudastacus by Olmagon
Pachysentis by Mattximus
List of primates by PresN
Banded palm civet by Cremastra
Perothops by Memer15151
Hypericum hircinum by Fritzmann2002
Boquila by Etriusus and Veridicae
Aptostichus barackobamai by Etriusus
Buffy-tufted marmoset by André Ribeiro Cardoso
Ant mimicry by Chiswick Chap
Mosquito by Chiswick Chap
Anopheles by Chiswick Chap
Rice by Chiswick Chap
Pliosaurus andrewsi by Amirani1746
Triassosculda by Abdullah raji
Flaco (owl) by Rhododendrites
Crassispira incrassata by Etriusus
Sei whale by 20 upper

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The New Page Reviewer's Iron Award

For over 360 article reviews during 2023. Well done! Keep up the good work and thank you! Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin86 was just blocked for WP:CITESPAM and that account is part of a whole ring of accounts whose sole purpose is to spam papers by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena into articles. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter as long as an editor in good standing takes it over and the statement and reference is correct; WP:FRUIT and all that. But as it happens, we were both wrong, because it was an unsuitable reference for a true statement. I have added the correct 2020 study instead. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redtail catfish

The image i edited in is simply labeled wrong. Brachyplatystoma does not resemble Fish br.jpg, which is obviously a SAmerican redtail catfish; you can verify the sorry state of images for the Piraiba yourself in Commons.

Giving you a heads up for the re-revert. Anthropophoca (talk) 11:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cave wolf

Thank you for your resolute action at ANI. You were correct that changes did not need to be discussed at the Talk page just because of little new-content activity - this species has been one of the most overlooked in terms of research. Nonetheless, some days the article receives over 100 visitors.

I note that you have placed your trout slap for User:Augmented Seventh on my Talk page with a call, and that may have been your intention. Regards, 14.2.205.177 (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An_Affair_of_Honor_(short_story)..

How many more citations are needed? Weavingowl (talk) 14:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Weavingowl: The minimum for showing notability and keeping the article is already met - one link to the story itself, and two critical assessments. However, one of those (the blog source) is rather weak, since it is self-published. Further WP:SECONDARY critical material is therefore desireable. I have removed the "short story tricks" reference, as this type of self-published mini-factoid is not considered reliable and does not add to the coverage of the work. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's odd that I can't find anything else about it....maybe someone else will. Makes me wonder if it's just super obscure. Weavingowl (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alpine ibex by LittleJerry
Markham's storm petrel by FunkMonk, Jens Lallensack, and Therapyisgood
List of primates by PresN
List of birds of Alberta by grungaloo
Rice by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by RecycledPixels
Barley by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Bruxton
Chicken by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by DocZach
Cereal by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Bruxton
Ant mimicry by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by AryKun
Anopheles by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by AryKun
Mosquito by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by 20 upper
Cherry blossom by Reconrabbit, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Sei whale by 20 upper, reviewed by grungaloo
Megaherbivore by 20 upper, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Brown bear by 20 upper, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Indian rhinoceros by 20 upper, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Hypericum hircinum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by grungaloo
Hypericum foliosum by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Hypericum grandifolium by Fritzmann2002, reviewed by Esculenta
Boquila by Etriusus, reviewed by Chiswick Chap
Aptostichus barackobamai by Etriusus, reviewed by Esculenta
Crassispira incrassata by Etriusus, reviewed by 20 upper
Punctelia by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth
Chrysothrix chlorina by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth
Chrysothrix chlorina by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth
Ramalina peruviana by Esculenta, reviewed by Ealdgyth
Menemerus animatus by simongraham, reviewed by Esculenta
Afraflacilla braunsi by simongraham, reviewed by grungaloo
Nasutoceratops by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Pseudastacus by Olmagon, reviewed by FunkMonk
Angustidontus by Super Dromaeosaurus and Ichthyovenator, reviewed by Amitchell125
Pruemopterus by Super Dromaeosaurus and Ichthyovenator, reviewed by Etriusus
Black-billed magpie by grungaloo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Black-capped chickadee by grungaloo, reviewed by Jens Lallensack
Horned sungem by Jens Lallensack, reviewed by grungaloo
Flaco (owl) by Rhododendrites, reviewed by Etriusus
Telonemia by Snotoleks, reviewed by Esculenta
"Pliosaurus" andrewsi by Amirani1746, reviewed by grungaloo
Beaver drop by Lightburst, reviewed by Chiswick Chap

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Horned sungem by Jens Lallensack
Tufted jay by grungaloo
Nasutoceratops by FunkMonk
Maize by Chiswick Chap
Cattle by Chiswick Chap
Pig by Chiswick Chap
Domestic duck by Chiswick Chap
Eusociality by Chiswick Chap
Fish by Chiswick Chap
Barnacle by Chiswick Chap
Ochrophyte by Snotoleks
Parvilucifera by Snotoleks
Thalattoarchon by Amirani1746
Hydropunctaria amphibia by Esculenta
Melanohalea by Esculenta
Spot test (lichen) by Esculenta
Lecideaceae by Esculenta
Hypericum × inodorum by Fritzmann2002
Hypericum sect. Androsaemum by Fritzmann2002
Olga Hartman by Viriditas
Mixtotherium by PrimalMustelid
Enhydriodon by PrimalMustelid
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  • Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
  • Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
  • Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
  • Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
  • Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
  • Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
  • Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
  • Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
  • Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
  • Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
  • Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
  • Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
  • Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
  • Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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