User talk:Dajasj

Hi, I've seen that you're reverting my edits in Dutch party pages regarding the 2023 general election, but I'm not sure about the reason. As for the fact that "the count is still ongoing", as far as I know 100% of the ballots have been counted and, despite the presence of some recounts, I don't see why such results should be good enough to already include the percentages but not the number of votes. As for the "Extra-parliamentary" label, I can assure you that it has been widely used on Wikipedia with the exact meaning that a party didn't win any seat, why reverting that as well? Fm3dici97 (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recounts are unlikely to change the percentage, but likely to change the votes. And I fear people will simply forget to change that and then we have false information.

Do you have an example of page where it is used? For context, in Dutch politics extra-parliamentary cabinet means that a cabinet is formed without a binding with parties in parliament. So using that term will be confusing. Dajasj (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dajasj regarding the possibility that pages remain without updated I understand your fear and I'll wait for the official ones being released. About the use of "Extra-parliamentary" in the election results tables, here are some examples from countries that held elections in the past year:

Volt Europa

Christian Democrats (Finland)

Social Democratic Party of Montenegro

Pirate Party Luxembourg

Parempoolsed

MeRA25

Given how widespread the use of that template in this specific context is, I don't think there's going to be a problem with doing the same for Dutch elections as well. Fm3dici97 (talk) 19:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, okay. Confusing given Extra-parliamentary cabinet exists. Maybe in the future I'll propose an alternative (grey background would make more sense for example) Dajasj (talk) 19:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dajasj, sorry to disturb you again. I saw that there's a new source for the results in 2023 Dutch general election, does this mean that the numbers that are being showed now in the results table are definitive ones? Just checking because I saw that there are still inconsistencies in party pages and I wanted to address those. Thanks, Fm3dici97 (talk) 08:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, the numbers on 2023 Dutch general election are incorrect and need to be changed still. I have fixed the results on many party pages, but might have missed some... See https://www.kiesraad.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/12/04/kiesraad-hertelling-geen-invloed-op-zetelverdeling-of-gekozen-kandidaten Dajasj (talk) 09:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dajasj. Thank you for adding voting totals to Simone Kennedy (politician) and Harmen Krul. It did bother me a bit that I could not find them ;) However, for Krul I do not see the source for his 1,420 votes, and I could not find one myself. Could you please provide it? - Tristan Surtel (talk) 18:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tristan Surtel! You can find the 2018 municipal elections here (Or here, but as it is my website it is not really independent :P). Dajasj (talk) 18:59, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, nice tables you have made. I was wondering however, is it correct to state that Yvonne Bijenhof Lost the election? Because she entered parliament later. Ideally, there would be more flavours in between I believe. Dajasj (talk) 19:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And on another note, might be worth improving accessibility of the table, which also automatically makes the headers and the first column grey. And in general I would recommend aligning numbers on the right side, because then these are easier to compare. But the notes in the cell make that harder :/ Dajasj (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will add the source as well. I styled the tables after those for Bolivian politicians (example) with some additions to fit the Dutch electoral system. I had long only known of the US election boxes, which are less useful as they assume a two- or three-way race. I will look at the accessibility suggestions but also feel free to make adjustments yourself that can then be brought to all these boxes. Regarding the election result, I am not sure what would be the most appropriate wording here. Bijenhof was not elected in 2021, so she would have lost the election. Perhaps a note could be added that describes she was appointed later in the term based on her candidacy. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that with this type of table the first row/column do not get grey without specifying the color. I am not sure which color would help most towards accessibility. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 07:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some suggestions at Yvonne Bijenhof, but feel free to revert them. Some changes have made it more in line with the standard for normal tables.

Maybe we can name the column 'Elected'? And then 'Yes' (green), 'No' (red), 'Later' (orange), 'Refused' (orange)? Dajasj (talk) 07:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dajasj. Thank you for your changes; I have carried them over to other Dutch politicians. In case they were appointed later in the term, I have added a note to the "Lost" mention rather than to change it to "Later". Looking at the election itself, it seems a particular candidate is either elected or not, regardless of whether their spot on the list provides them with a seat later. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Tristan Surtel, I see you added "Incomplete list" to Sigrid Kaag. Do you have any information that she participated in an election in the past? I have never heard of that... Dajasj (talk) 21:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dajasj, I am not aware of others. However, I did not check whether she participated as a lijstduwer in local/regional elections as is common. If you know that she has not, feel free to remove the template. (I wished the template instead said "(possibly) incomplete" as on the Dutch Wikipedia version).- Tristan Surtel (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay! She has not shown up in elections after 2010, so I am pretty sure she didn't participate in any. If I have time, I will also remove some templates on other people if I can't find them in my database. Dajasj (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are btw also election participations on the Wikidata pages, including sources ;) Dajasj (talk) 09:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Dajasj. A recent contribution that you made to Dutch cabinet formation has lead to a harv-error/sfn-error due to a missing bibliography. The work missing is "Bootsma 2017". Please add this into a bibliography section into the article so that future readers know where the information is from. Thank you, Thecowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 18:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed! Dajasj (talk) 18:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]