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Large cruisers

Hi, Ed. I was looking at your Large Cruisers tab, and it occurred to me: wouldn't the Deutschland-class cruiser be part of it, since they were more or less the original "large cruiser"? If so, then D class cruiser (Germany) and P class cruiser (both planned successors to the Deutschlands) would probably fit in as well. I've got some technical data for the classes, so if you want to include them, I'll be able to help in that capacity. Parsecboy :  Chat  19:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking more of cruiser-killer/battlecruiser-type ships, but I dunno :P —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose since they were primarily intended as commerce raiders, they don't really fit. They were basically up-gunned heavy cruisers (and were reclassified as such by the Germans). Parsecboy (talk) 02:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The topic I want to go for could be accurately described by the following; would this be better? ...: "Large cruisers designed on the eve of World War II". —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

That might be better, but there might be some gray area as to what "the eve of WWII" means. Oh, another thing: why the Stalingrad class and not Kronshtadt class battlecruiser? I thought the Stalingrads were post-war, while the Kronshtadts were the pre-war design. Parsecboy (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that I have to make an anchor article, and "eve of WWII" would not be good in an article name. ;)

I have both right now...just in case I go with "list of battlecruiser designs after 1937". —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

That might be the best option (list of battlecruiser designs). You might even make it "post-Washington Naval Conference" battlecruisers, since that effectively killed the WWI-style development programs. I'm just thinking that "1937" might run into some opposition during the FT review, since it could seem to some as rather arbitrary.

Another thing to consider: there may be serious objections to the omission of the Scharnhorst class, since there are many who see them as having been battlecruisers (despite what the Germans officially named them). I of course disagree with that assessment (the common argument is that the ships traded bigger guns for more armor in the tradition of the WWI German battlecruisers); that's simply not the case here. When the Kriegsmarine actually designed battlecruisers, the "O class", they did so more along standard "Fisher" lines; the armor design for "O" was much thinner than the armor for Scharnhorst, and they mounted 15" guns). I guess I'll stop my rant there :) Parsecboy (talk) 15:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

They'll argue about Dunkerque-class battleship too, but they were both officially classified as battleships, right? (and we don't want to do OR as to what they actually were!) Regardless, the anchor article will have mentions and links to both and the reason(s) for their non-inclusion in the list.

What other cruisers would a "List of post-Washington Naval Treaty large cruisers/battlecruisers" include? Any? :/ I am not aiming for a 20-article FT. I am not Cla68. :P —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

There would definitely need to be criteria that excluded the Dunkerques and Scharnhorsts (and also, if we're going with the "battlecruiser" label instead of "large cruiser", why the Alaskas are included, since they weren't officially called battlecruisers).

I don't know that there would be any other additions to the topic (other than the Kronshtadts I already mentioned, although, to be honest, I hadn't heard of the 1047s until you started working on the article). I just took a look through my Conway's All the World's Battleships: 1906 to the Present, and it has entries on the B65s, 1047s (although not by that name), Alaskas, O class, and the two Soviet designs, but nothing else. Parsecboy (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) - Oh, cool then. ;) Also, what name are the 1047s under? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't give one, it just says "Projected battlecruisers". Parsecboy (talk) 16:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) ::BLARG @ your Alaska thought lol. I'm thinking that the criteria would be thinner armor, which the Scharnhorst's and Dunkerque's did not have. I'll include an explanation of why the Alaska's are included but those two aren't.

(after) - oh, ok. That's what the 1922-1946 Conway's said too. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that would probably be ok. And the Alaskas are less controversial for their classification than the Scharnhorsts (I don't see the Dunkurques as being all that controversial either). Parsecboy (talk) 16:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXVII (March 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXXVII (March 2009)
From the coordinators The big news of course was the seventh project coordinator election covering the period ending 30 September. The quality of the candidates was extremely high, with some of the project's top content builders running alongside highly experienced backroom people. Of the eighteen candidates, sixteen were finally appointed, giving us probably the most rounded coordination team so far. Those elected were: Abraham, B.S., Bellhalla, Cam, Eurocopter, EyeSerene, Ian Rose, Jackyd101, Joe N, Lordoliver, Maralia, MBK004, Nick-D, Roger Davies (lead), Skinny87, The ed17 and TomStar81. Kirill Lokshin continues in his role as coordinator emeritus. Thanks must go to the departing coordinators – Bedford, JonCatalán and Woody – for helping make the project what it is today The C-class referendum, held at the same time, produced a slight majority of votes for introduction, but was insufficient to demonstrate a clear consensus. So, for the time being at least, therefore, the project will continue without C-class. Otherwise, focus is likely be on the Academy and the development of courses to develop reviewing, copy-editing and article-building skills. Some review of our task forces is also probable, perhaps consolidating some of the smaller, quieter, ones. As ever, input from everyone is not only welcomed but positively encouraged. The coordinators' gratitude goes not only to those who participated in the election and referenda but also to everyone who works quietly and conscientiously away to make participation in this project rewarding, successful and productive. Milhist is very fortunate in its membership! Thank you all,  Roger Davies talk 16:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Byzantine navy Falaise Pocket Frank Hubert McNamara Heinrich Bär Juan Davis Bradburn Operation Cobra Port Chicago disaster SM U-66 SMS Moltke (1910) Surrender of Japan Tom Derrick William Henry Harrison New featured lists: List of United States Naval Academy alumni List of United States Naval Academy alumni (astronauts) List of United States Naval Academy alumni (Chiefs of Naval Operations) List of United States Naval Academy alumni (legislators) New featured pictures: USS Texas (1892) New A-Class articles: 1964 Brinks Hotel bombing Ba Cut Battle of Artemisium Battle of Fort Washington Battle of Morotai Battle of Tippecanoe Battle of Vimy Ridge Battle of Wau Design 1047 battlecruiser Fountain of Time Frank Horton Berryman Gia Long Henry Wells (general) Hill 262 Hue chemical attacks Japanese battleship Haruna Jon Burge Nassau class battleship Operation Freshman SM UB-43 SM UB-45 Stanley Savige Xa Loi Pagoda raids
Project news With 12 entrants working on 63 articles, March was another good month for our article improvement contest, entering in April its third year of operation. The coveted Chevrons go to Bellhalla for his outstanding 127 points, with YellowMonkey bagging the Writer's Barnstar for his highly commendable 65 points. Lordoliver came third with a very respectable 57 points. Our thanks go to our other stalwart article builders: Abraham, B.S. (34), Parsecboy (31), Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus (17), Cam (15), Ian Rose (12), David Underdown (12), the ed17 (10), Backslash Forwardslash (6), and Wild Wolf (1). Three articles in the project's scope appeared on the Main Page as today's featured article this month: Lazare Ponticelli (12 March), 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt (17 March) and Operation Varsity (24 March).
Awards and honors Bellhalla has been awarded the Milhist A-Class medal with Oak Leaves for three ship articles: SM U-66, SM UB-45, and SM UB-43. Hawkeye7 has been awarded the Milhist A-Class medal for Battle of Sio, Sydney Rowell, and Battle of Wau. Parsecboy has been awarded the Milhist A-Class medal for SMS Von der Tann, SMS Moltke (1910) and Nassau-class battleship. Skinny87 has been awarded the Milhist A-Class medal for 13th Airborne Division (United States), Tetrarch (tank), and Operation Freshman. TonyTheTiger has been awarded the Milhist A-Class medal for Willie Gillis, Jon Burge, and Fountain of Time. YellowMonkey has been awarded two Milhist A-Class medals this month; the first for Military career of Keith Miller, Keith Miller, and 1964 Brinks Hotel bombing; the second for Hue chemical attacks, Ba Cut and Xa Loi Pagoda raids. The following editors received the WikiProject Barnstar for their help coordinating the project during the past six months: Bedford, Cam, Eurocopter, EyeSerene, JonCatalán, Kirill Lokshin, Maralia, MBK004, Nick-D, Roger Davies, the_ed17 and Woody.
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GA nomination for USS Hawaii (CB-3)

Hello. I've reviewed the article USS Hawaii (CB-3) for its nomination for Good Article status. I have really one minor prose issue, so I am placing the article on hold for seven days. During my review I also noted some items that I think will enhance the article if you wish to pursue higher assessments. My complete review may be found here. If you have any questions about the review or individual issues I have raised, please note them on the review page (which is on my watchlist) and I will answer them there. When you have addressed the issues I have mentioned, I will be happy to re-evaluate the nomination. Thanks, and good editing. — Bellhalla (talk) 04:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

ACR notice

Hi Ed, are you going to deal with the "oppose" from the Amagi class battlecruiser A-class review in the next short period? If not, I'm going to fail it as soon as tomorrow, as it gets one month since opening (but that would be regretful considering its supports). Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ed, what say we write up a short section on Akagi's service as a carrier? I still don't think it's really necessary for the article, since Akagi does have a somewhat comprehensive (if poorly sourced) description of her combat career. But it can't hurt, right? (and while we're writing it, we might as well add the citations we find to the Akagi article.) Parsecboy (talk) 13:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Blarg...I don't think it needs it either, but what can we do? If you can write most of it, I will try to help, but I am going home for the weekend and my on-wiki time will be extremely limited. Cheer pal, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually going home this weekend too. But I was thinking that I've got a couple hours right now before my afternoon class, so I'd try to get something written up. I'm thinking the sources we've already got in the article should be sufficient, so we won't have to do much "google book"-ing. Have a nice time at home! Parsecboy (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Prolly lol. I might be able to add a little at home from The Rising Sun in the Pacific too, but again—I won't have a lot of time. A couple of old friends will be home to, so we are all going to play tennis and board games like all weekend. :D —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, today was the last day of my fiancee's internship in Detroit, so she's going to be home for the weekend. So I will be too :) Parsecboy (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! :-) Don't get too excited to see her :P —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll be alright :D Parsecboy (talk) 16:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy The ed17/Archives's Day!

The ed17/Archives has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, so I've officially declared today as The ed17/Archives's Day! For your awesome work on WP:SHIPS and WP:MILHIST, enjoy being the star of the day, dear The ed17/Archives! Signed, Dylan (chat, work, ping, sign)

ED! How are you? You are awesome!! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 00:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Eddie! You deserve it in every sense of the word. Happy day. ;) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 00:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, this is a surprise (to say the least)...I'm floored. Thank you, Dylan. :-)

OLLIE! Long time no see! What's up, dude? How has RL been treating you? And I'm not awesome—just another Wikipedian. :P

(after) Thanks, Pianista. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Ed and his modesty... I'm fine. Just observing the Wikiworld and all that's happened (users re-named, users retired and then returned... blah blah). Back to you Ed. Your last RfA was in January (three months ago!) and was wondering when you'd be trying again. I'll see you around. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, YellowMonkey (talk · contribs) was one of the ones who retired... O_O

Bahaha maybe soon. We'll see what happens; it'll probably be May at the earliest because my exams for college are coming up at the end of April. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

My exams for university are in May/June. Lots of revising! I would try to stop coming on Wikipedia, but there's no point. I always end up back on to check my watchlist! See ya! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the same problem. :( lulz. See ya later! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow! This is fate. :P Well done, ed! Queenie 19:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Newsletter XI

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I need some sound advice

Hello! Hope all is well. I recently added this iamge to an aricle about the World War Two motion pictute The Gallant Hours, a biopic about Admiral William F. Halsey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gallant_Hours-Montgomery-Halsey-Cagney.jpg

Could you suggest a remedy for this problem? It's a really good photo that enhances the article. Thanks! Marcd30319 (talk) 22:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Marc! Long time no see. I think the pages you are looking for is Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. Basically, you will fair-use rationale (see the second link I gave) and a fair-use template, which are listed here. I'm thinking {{Non-free historic image}} would apply for this picture? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 22:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks! I think this cuts the Gordian Knot! Marcd30319 (talk) 23:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 23:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy The ed17/Archives/15's Day!

User:The ed17/Archives/15 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as The ed17/Archives/15's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear The ed17/Archives/15! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

O_O I'm an awesome Wikipedian two days in a row...? Wow. If I was floored before...well, I don't even know how to describe my feelings now...speechless is close, but I can still talk. Maybe amazed that my work is really this recognized? ;) Thank you so much Rlevse. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 23:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Apr 06 for you. Two days? Sure, why not. I've been given 4. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I meant two days in a row with Dylan's program (see above). I wasn't requesting to have two days from you... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Dylan's program? He copied it from me, and I'd picked it up from Phaedriel ;-). I said APr 6 for you because I'd posted yours a tab early on 05 Apr wiki time. I usually post them the day of the award, wiki time. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Oooooh. Gotcha now. ;) Thanks again! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats, Ed! LITTLEMOUNTAIN5 ^review! 00:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks LM5 :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! If you care to look, Rlevse got me on 27 February 2009. -MBK₀₀₄ 03:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I congratulated you then, remember? ;-) Thanks MBK! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats, you lucky dog. You deserve it doubly, and I'm not just saying things for the sake of having things said. Enjoy. :) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 03:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Grats! Awesome work. Dhatfield (talk) 04:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your advice here. -- Yamanam (talk) 09:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem; it was the least I could do. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Lafayette Square, Buffalo A-Class review

I am in Buffalo this week. I have been swapping out refs. Let me know how I am doing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Westfalen photo

Hi, Ed. Check this out. It looks like we can use the image after all. Parsecboy (talk) 12:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, we're not out of the woods yet. Awadewit has asked for a couple of Commons admins to review the issue. I guess we'll have to wait until they weigh in. Parsecboy (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Am watching. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Bismarck

Sorry Ed, but I have to disagree. Yeah, Hitler insisted that the ship be a "he", but I really don't think we need to do so. It's pretty jarring to see "he", and especially the capitalized "He" (makes it sound like we're talking about a certain fellow from Nazareth) Parsecboy (talk) 01:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright lol...actually, "he" should also be used in Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais, too...hmm. Whatever :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Re Design 1047 battlecruiser

Will take a look ;) EyeSerene^talk 07:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed Maralia is in full spate; I'll hold off until she's done if you like. EyeSerene^talk 08:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

My changes thus far were mostly MOS cleanup, but a copyedit is needed, and I am glad to hear you are next up, EyeSerene—it's all yours! Ed: I left about 5 inline queries for you to handle. Maralia (talk) 14:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

(Wow, an edit conflict?) It's your choice; I asked both her and you in case one of you couldn't do it...thanks for all of the help regardless!

(after) I fixed one, and will be addressing the others over the course of today. Thank you so much! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Dutch East Indies campaign

On April 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dutch East Indies campaign, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Moro River Campaign

Hey, Ed, could you take another look at the Moro River Campaign ACR? I've fixed most of your issues. Cam ^(Chat) 22:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Seydlitz

Hey, Ed. I took me a few days, but I finally got around to fixing the images and other misc. things you pointed out here. Do you have any other suggestions for the article? Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Neurolysis

You are Support 62 and support 88 on this RfA. You should probably remove one of them. Thanks. GT5162 ^{(我的对话页)} 16:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

My apologies. I have indented and struck #88. Cheers, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Ed. There's an article here that has six references, but all from Spanish sites. Someone has created a string of sockpuppets to edit the article by removing cited text, but I can't be sure if it's vandalism, as the sources are all in Spanish. Is it woth taking out a SPI? And what about those references? Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 00:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

(@ SPI) - no need, see WP:DUCK. AIV or AN/I should do better.

(@ refs) - Google Translate is a wonderful thing. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

If that page is edited again by any of those users, then I'll go to AIV. No matter what language, he's still removing content without explanation. Thanks. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

AN/I would be better, actually. :/ —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant AN/I. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright! :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Ed, what started her only trip on this day, 97 years ago? Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

RMS Titanic, without looking. Very good question though; I'm asking my roommate now. ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) Well done. Just thought I'd throw in a little nautical teaser. Passenger liners of the early twentieth century is about as far as my interest in ships goes!

Royal Mail Steamship, much nicer than just steamship! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 02:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that this summer I might try to take the article on Titanic on...I've got two book that cover the ship (see my library), so at the least I'll be able to rewrite parts. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I've got Titanic, An Illustrated History strangely enough right in front of me. Mine is the fancy gold plated one. It coat me £100! I've got two others as well so if you want any help, just ask.

I get really nostalgic around 15 April. As I lay in bed I think of what was happening all those years ago at that precise time. It's almost a century ago now. 2012 is going to be a big year for us Brits! Titanic, the Queens Diamond Jubilee and the Olympics! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 03:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

<- Don't mind my butting in :) I've indef-ed the three socks but left the original be for the time being, to give him/her a chance to edit constructively. Ollie, if s/he starts up again (with the unblocked or a new account) just let me know, and I'll take care of it. Parsecboy (talk) 03:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 03:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (@ Ollie) - I have the cheap soft cover...and I will! Yeah, 2012 will be a big year...all of that, plus the Mayan apocalypse...

(@ Parsec)- Ahhhh...It's nice to have an admin on retainer. ;))) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

And yet some still think there are too many admins...

What do you think of Law's RfA? He joined the same month I did, last September but seems ready. What is your ideal length of time needed before going for adminship? (and no, I'm not getting any ideas!) Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 03:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, his RfA is not going great at the moment...he's at 77% as of this posting according to WP:BN/R. I'd think that if you get a GA, post or reply to a few things at AN/I and wait another month or two you'd have a very good shot at passing. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I really must get back to Railways in Buckinghamshire. It's waiting to be completed! Gotta go now. Bye! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 04:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, if I'm on retainer, where's my kickback? Buying off an admin ain't cheap ;) Parsecboy (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

(@ Ollie) - yeah, if you get that to GA, I think it would be enough—that's a big undertaking.

(@ Parsec) - no kickback here...you're doing it pro bono, remember? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

How the heck did I get bamboozled into pro bono work? Let's see some diffs, mister. Parsecboy (talk) 14:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I blame communism. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi!

Hey, you nominated me for this? Thanks, I didn't know :D I hadn't done enough for it though... And btw, congratulations on being wikipedian of the day. I missed both days. Chamal ^talk 05:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, because you did do enough. Thanks Chamal! Hope RL is going well; I haven't heard a whole lot about LTTE/Sri Lankan fighting lately, so hopefully that is going well too. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, if you say so... I'm doing fine, hope you're too :) As for the war, it's currently on a weird position. Last week there was a major battle in which more than 400 rebels were killed, but now it's like nothing's happening at all. The army commander said a few days ago that they are going to launch a hostage rescue operation larger than anything ever undertaken by any military in the world (there are some 60,000 civilians in the 20 something km² area the LTTE is now confined to). Big words, and we are waiting to see what happens. It'll be the end (I hope) however it turns out. Chamal ^talk 15:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm alright too :)

O_O a 60,000-person rescue operation? And they know that it is coming? Oh man, some people are gonna die... :-/// At least it'll be over...but jeez...at what cost? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

I think the best solution is not to link or refer to the infobox at all. I am sure that readers are capable of finding out where to look. Ruslik (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Design 1047 battlecruiser

OK, I think I'm done. I've tried to tighten up the prose and trimmed a fair amount, so hopefully I haven't mucked things up too much. I noticed a bit of overlinking which I dealt with when I spotted it, but I'd recommend another sweep for that (and of course a thorough proofread - maybe Maralia is still available?). Thank you for the opportunity to work on such a well-researched, interesting article, and please feel free to revert whatever you don't like ;) EyeSerene^talk 18:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Oops, forgot the lead... done now though ;) The lead doesn't currently mention the incorrect Dutch threat assessment, and the article doesn't mention the missing records, but that's hopefully minor (no-one seems to have objected yet at the FAC anyway!) EyeSerene^talk 18:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I can check for overlinking—it's easier to look for blue than read my own text. ;) If someone at FAC thinks it needs further proofreading, I'll ask Maralia, but I think that she is overloaded as it is, so I don't want to burden her more. Also, um, you are welcome? Thank you for copyediting!

(@ lead) - The missing records are only in the lead on purpose because I thought it was only applicable there; see Yamato-class battleship for another example of it. I don't think that's a problem. :) On the other hand, the Dutch threat assessment should be in there! Thanks for all of your help, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 21:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'd rather not have that in there if possible. That's more of an analysis part that isn't about the ships as much... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 22:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Crisis

An unexpected development on Wikipedia that concerns us has been brought to our attention by Moonriddengirl. Please follow this link for more information. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

ACR Ping

Have your concerns here been taken care of? Reason I'm asking is because one more support = promotion and you've already reviewed but not supported. -MBK₀₀₄ 02:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I just added additional comments. I'm pretty sure that it was late when I checked that the first time...how did I miss the missing ISBN's? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

United States Battleship Division Nine (World War I)

Hey The ed17, thanks for the kind words! I spent a lot of time on the article and am glad people are appreciating it. Interestingly, I used the USS Connecticut page as something of a guide, which I understand you had a lot to do with, so thanks for that! Cheers! Jrt989 (talk) 04:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ed, got any time to help out on this article? I need someone to fix the apparent POV issues raised by Bellhalla in the GA review, and I'm probably too involved. Issues with citations and the images I can get myself. Thanks! Jrt989 (talk) 05:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be able to help at least a little bit. Cheers! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to add to your numerous Wikipedia duties, but perhaps you would like to comment on this suggestion by me? Cheers, --Simon Harley (talk | library | book reviews) 16:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

No worries, Harls; I've got time. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

On behalf of the Kindness campaign, I just wanted to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Happy Easter! Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 06:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

HMS Archer

Hi, thanks for the GA review. I've replied on the review page to some of the issues raised and will consider where I can improve the article in respect of other issues raised. Mjroots (talk) 06:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

No prob; apologies that I had to fail it. I'll work with you in addressing the issues, and feel free to ask any questions you need. It's not that it's a bad or even medicore article (it's quite good); it's just in a major need of a copy-edit and some double-checking to ensure that your wording is not too close to your sources'. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

		The WikiChevrons
		By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted contributions to the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews, I am delighted to award you this WikiChevrons.  Roger Davies talk 13:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Roger! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback

Hi Ed, if you have time I'd like to ask you a favor. One of my articles is at FAC (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Street newspaper) but has not really gotten any comments in a long time, and I'm worried it might get removed without having generated much constructive input for me. I know you have a lot of experience with content-building, and was wondering if you could take a quick look and offer comments/criticism if you have any—I'm asking you because I wanted to get input from some people who I know are talented editors in good standing but whom I'm not necessarily "friends" with, so it doesn't come off as canvassing.

Anyway, if you're too busy or if this is not a topic that interests you, I totally understand; I just wanted to check! Best, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that newspapers are really my area of interest, but this one really piques my curiosity. I'll take a look. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Copyright crisis

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		Thank you very much for helping deal with the copyright crisis over Easter weekend. Your help was greatly appreciated.  Roger Davies talk 07:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Newsletter XII

The WikiCup Newsletter

The WikiCup Newsletter Round II, Issue 2 - April 12, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content Leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants in this round with the most: Featured articles Ceranthor, Ottava Rima, and Sasata have all had 1 successful featured article nomination. Featured lists Wrestlinglover and Rlevse have both had 1 successful featured list nomination. Featured topics No contestant has yet had a successful featured topic nomination. Featured pictures Durova has had 6 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds Shoemaker's Holiday has had 1 successful featured sound nomination. Featured portals No contestant has yet had a successful featured portal nomination. Good topics No contestant has yet had a successful good topic nomination. Good articles Theleftorium and ThinkBlue have both had 2 successful good article nomination. Did you know? items Sasata has had 12 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Spencer has had 1 successful "In the news" nomination. For Round 1 stats, see Newsletter 10. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last week, and their points this week are: Rank User LF TF D 1 Shoemaker's Holiday 3 156 153 2 Durova 1 137 136 3 Sasata 8 138 130 4 Theleftorium 10 120 110 5 ThinkBlue 8 81 73 LF = Last Week's score, TF = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges Mitchazenia has requested and been granted his spot back in the Cup. So welcome back, and get to work Mitch! :)  GARDEN , iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a Round 2 total of: 3 Featured article 2 Featured list 0 Featured topics 8 Featured pictures 3 Featured sounds 0 Featured portal 0 Good topics 11 Good articles 21 Did you know? items 1 In the news items This combines with the Round 1 totals to make a grand total of: 23 Featured articles 34 Featured lists 2 Featured topics 143 Featured pictures 24 Featured sounds 1 Featured portal 2 Good topics 154 Good articles 325 Did you know? items 50 In the news items Pool leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top contestant from each pool, along with six wildcards, will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Shoemaker's Holiday (156) Pool B ThinkBlue (79) Pool C Theleftorium (88) Pool D J Milburn (46) Pool E Durova (136) Pool F Sasata (131) Current Wildcards Ceranthor (82) Ottava Rima (82) Wrestlinglover (77) Rlevse (63) the_ed17 (49) 97198 (43) Useight (41) Scorpion0422 (41) Candlewicke (38) Matthewedwards (33) All scores are accurate as of 15:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC) If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list.

Delivered for the WikiCup by  ROBOTIC GARDEN  at 17:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC). To report errors see the talk page.

Just noticed...

One of my posts on Talk:Independence Day (film) was brought to my attention and while looking at it I noticed that it contained a reference to a post that asked questions about what kinds of other planes does the military use. I said that the "plane question" was pointless and didn't refer to the film, and the post has since been removed. Just wanted to let you know that "plane question" was in no way a reference to a post where you ask about what kind of plane was used to film one of the movie's scenes.

Anyway, I've deleted the comment since it no longer refers to anything that exists on the page, and just wanted to let you know that it has nothing to do with your question (which is a good one, by the way), in case you may have thought it did. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 00:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I didn't even notice it (and the dates weren't right either [August v. January])! Thanks for the concern though! Also, this has reminded me to watch the movie when I go home next to try and see what plane it is. ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

MILHIST ub

One question... Why is it floating over the "do not bite the newbies" ad? Queenie 19:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Floating? I see no floating...

Then again, I'm using widescreen. Perhaps that's the issue. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 20:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The new ubx or the coordinator ubx? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 21:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Co-ordinator. I see no new one... (and yes, I'm an unlogged in Queenie, by the way ;) 86.45.133.24 (talk) 20:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I dunno...could it be your screen size. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 20:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Heylo. I've checked it on my other CPU with the smaller screen and emailed you a screenshot. It overlaps a bit. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 06:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Humph. :) I'll try to work on it. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Link

Hey, thanks for telling me that. But I think I like copying and pasting the link, its more easier for me. But thanks.--Truco 01:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats!

		The Writer's Barnstar
		For your impressive work on a number of high quality articles, including Design 1047 battlecruiser, promoted to FA today. Keep up the good work! Parsecboy (talk) 21:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. That's a great article. Nick-D (talk) 09:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both :-) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

hey Ed

Hi Ed. I'm still working on Railways in Buckinghamshire and was wondering if you could have a quick look over the stuff I've done in the past few days (mainly The Big Four onwards). I'm up to 1948. Just another 60 years to write up! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

You're getting there! :) Looking now. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look bad at all! Two suggestions: combine the short, 1–2 sentence sections into one section with no {main} links, and spell out the initial abbreviations at the beginning of the "Big four" section. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

OK. Will do. Thanks. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 01:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem :-) Feel free to ask if you need any more help! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Ed. I've a new adoptee, User:Tim Tebow Rocks! who I though was new. When he went offering adoption after being here only a week, I stepped in. However he just told me that he is also the operator of User:Dcollins52. Is that allowed? He's not done any vandalism, as far as I can see. What would you do? Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 17:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry. It turns out he decided to abandon User:Dcollins52 and start anew. He wants to be an admin, and thought he could just carry his experience on. He'll have to wait a bit though. I was a bit annoyed that someone who's been here since Novemner accepted me as adopter, but now I can see that he needs it! He forgets to sign his posts, and has only just started indenting his messages. Still a while to go before adminship! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 18:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for not being able to reply earlier. Make sure that he knows not to switch between the two accounts! ;) I'm sure that he will learn a lot under you though. Good luck and ping if you need anything! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I've told him he can never edit with the old account again. The thing is, he thinks he has more expereince than he does. He may have been here since November on the old account, but he still forgets simple things such as edit summaries and signing his posts. So I really did mistake him for a new user! Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 19:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Not too hard too :) No, that would have been like me saying in February 2008 "oh, I've been here since 2006, so that means that I have a ton of experience"....when I had maybe 200 edits. But it's alright; he'll learn! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Something for you…

		The Military history A-Class medal
		For prolific work on Design 1047 battlecruiser, Amagi class battlecruiser and Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais, all promoted to A-Class between March and April 2009. — Bellhalla (talk) 14:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoah man... you're on a roll :D Congrats on getting all those awards. Could be a Wikipedia record, you know? ;) Chamal ^talk 14:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah right lol. :) Thanks Bellhalla! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Chamal's right. What's next, world domination? It looks like you're getting two barnstars a week! —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 15:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

When did you get a hold of my plans to take over the Earth? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

You left the blueprint on your desk, and I nicked it. You didn't even look at it, you were editing so hard. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 15:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, he's gotten 4 just this week: the WikiChevrons on sunday, the Copyright Cleanup barnstar on monday, the writer's barnstar yesterday, and the MILHIST A-class medal today. That's quite a collection :) Parsecboy (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not my fault that everyone loves me... ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

/me questions the word "everyone" because a certain someone seems to not have checked his email. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 15:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

/me has had class... :/ —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

/me is going to class and will be on later today, she thinks.

/me also wishes you good luck with your FACs and looks forward to fixing little things here and there whenever she feels like it.

/me would appreciate the names of those two FACs. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 16:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) - I'm closing tonight at work; I'll listen to it tonight or tomorrow.
Just one FAC, Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais. :-) The other (Design 1047 battlecruiser) passed yesterday! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoooaaaah, I've really been out of it, totally forgot to congratulate you. Anyways, congrats for the awards and goodluck/nicely done on the FAs/FACs. BTW, I need those world domination plans, s'il vous plait ^_^ Icy // ♫ 00:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Haha thanks Icy! Do you want to be my second-in-command? ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, if I'm the admin-on-retainer, shouldn't I be #2? I mean, I'm not getting paid—I deserve at least some perks, right? Parsecboy (talk) 02:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Herm, good point. Parsec, you can be the XO, and Icy can be the third officer. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes! The reigns of power are almost within my grasp! Wait, did I just say that out loud? Parsecboy (talk) 02:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Parsec is not the only admin "on retainer" because there just happens to be myself and Tom as well. -MBK₀₀₄ 03:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

(@ Parsec) :O Am I going to have to lower you into a pool of sharks quickly after you are instated into your position?

(@ MBK) Good point. The bureaucracy is getting rather large... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh yay. A nice short article - an appetizer to accompany the main course...or a prelude to the main act, whichever analogy you prefer. ;) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 03:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

@ MBK - Crap, does that mean we have to be some sort of triumvirate? Those don't usually turn out so well...

@ Ed - Of course not, my beloved leader! I was just thinking that if you were struck down in the prime of your life by a tragic accident, heaven forbid, I would, with great remorse, have to take your place. Pinkie swear. Parsecboy (talk) 10:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) haha a "tragic accident"? Define that. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoah, wait-a-minute-here, kids. Where am I now? -starts thinking about <<tragic accident>> -Icy // ♫ 14:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

@ Ed - I don't know, say someone were to accidentally drop some Polonium 210 into your sushi?

@ Icy - Sorry, I think you've been bumped to 5th, after Ed and the 1st Admin Triumvirate, and that depends on where Pianista fits in :p Parsecboy (talk) 15:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

@ Parsec - a new position just opened up; would you like to be my food taster?

@ Icy - with Parsec soon-to-be assassinated poisoned taken care of, you'll be the fourth officer. Good history to fourth officers... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe that certain someone was a bit hasty? I'm sure you'll be quite safe during your reign. Parsecboy (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

<.< I'm not safe. I don't know who to trust...the only one I trust explicitly is Chamal. The rest of you...I think it may be time for a purge. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should start packing, then? I hear it's cold in those Siberian labor camps. Parsecboy (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No need to pack. *rubs hands together* There's no need to spend your (ahem) remaining time on this Earth packing.... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I could just go into a quiet, self-imposed exile? You wouldn't need to send an ice-pick wielding assassin after me. Parsecboy (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) Sorry. I can't have you spreading the truth about my ruthlessness. ;) Goodbye, Mr. Parsec. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait a minute, have you forgotten about something? I think I might just be able to take care of myself :p Parsecboy (talk) 16:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

So you might be able to kill a few worthless pawns security guards before you're totally overwhelmed by sheer numbers. :P —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I can probably get my dad to help too. Besides, how many minions security personnel do you have, anyways? Parsecboy (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Too many for you and your dad to handle <_< —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess we'll just have to try to fight our way out and hope for the best :D Parsecboy (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

You aren't...no, you can't...are you James Bond? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought you'd never guess :p Not so eager to give me the old Blofeld treatment now, are you? Parsecboy (talk) 20:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No...we'll need something intriguing... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 22:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait, am I the hunter or the game? Parsecboy (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The game. With no guns. :P —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 23:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Can I make a sharpened stick or something? Parsecboy (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) with what, your teeth?!? If you can, sure. But I'll have a sniper rifle, and my bodyguards will have Uzis. ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 23:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

How do you think the cavemen made them? The only problem is I'd have to make a lot of them. Parsecboy (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe I'll just keep you in a cell until you die...might be less trouble. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Kinda slow, though ... :/ Icy // ♫ 01:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

@ Ed - but don't you see how useful my wiliness could be? Why not reinstate me and sick me upon thine enemies? Parsecboy (talk) 02:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

@ Icy - it's ok, I'd just tunnel out with a spoon or something :) Parsecboy (talk) 02:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The question is if I trust you to stay close to my enemies and not me :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Ooh... Ed trusts me! OK, my chance now... Hey Ed, with all this threats to your life (which are very real btw, according to the intelligence reports I have received) I think it's best if you take a short vacation. I recommend a cruise aboard a ship of CTF-150 or CTF-151. You're advised to sail to any such ship on a small boat, waving an AK-47 over your head so that they will know you are friendly. Carrying a Jolly Roger is a good idea since it will reassure them of your friendliness. It is essential that you stop for no reason whatsoever until you reach the ship. I know that sounds weird, but just trust me. The rest of you guys (Parsecboy, Icy and La Pianista) can have a nice holiday on the beaches of Somalia; I hear it's a really nice place. While Ed is gone, I will be happy to take care of important 'ruler of the universe' duties. Chamal ^talk 11:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

@ Ed - Come now, my friend, do you not remember our excellent cooperation in the past?

@ Chamal - Thanks for the travel recommendations! Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of the spring quarter, so I can't really afford to get away. Don't worry though, I can handle the "ruler of the universe" business in my spare time, so you'd be able to take my place :) Parsecboy (talk) 12:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

(@ Chamal) - ROFLOL. You just made my day :-))))

(@ Parsec) - I remember, but intelligences change... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

C'mon, Ed, my name is parsecboy, not Vidkun Quisling! Parsecboy (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, (A) - intelligences = alliances...stupid spell checker.

(B) this is Wikipedia. You could be Brett Favre for all I know :P —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured you meant something else :) As for me being Brett Favre, have you ever seen the two of us in the same place at once? Parsecboy (talk) 01:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) I've seen Favre play football twice and have never seen you, so I dunno. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

So maybe you've seen me play football twice :) Parsecboy (talk) 01:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

o_O —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

*broked brain* —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 15:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Take Ichi convoy

Hi Ed, thanks again for your comments on this article's ACR and substantial improvements. Do you think that any further changes are needed for the article to reach A-class? (I'm trying to wrap up the ACR so I can push onto a FAC) Nick-D (talk) 12:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you use all of the information that Morison wrote down (i.e. is there more info outside of page 20?)? I can go get it from my library if you haven't...

Otherwise, no, I don't think it needs anything else. I've supported already, right? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I've used all the unique content in Morrison's account (which is a little bit outdated). Your support is implied but not specified ;) Nick-D (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

On the note of ACRs, could you take another look at the ACR for Operation Charnwood? I've addressed all of your issues. Cam ^(Chat) 22:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Talk:Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais#? I'm resorting to sending you {{tb}}s via Twinkle out of pure laziness. Forgive me. ;) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 05:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yamato Class Battleship revision

You should take a closer look at the edit. I didn't add unverified information, I tried to introduce some internal consistency with the numbering on the page. Typically pages should have internal consistency for ease of reading, and that page in particular is rife with inconsistencies. Someone should make a decision if the primary mode of measurement is metric or US standard, and then go through and properly organize the page so that it reads XX km/kg (YY mi/lb) or vice versa. It shouldn't switch back and forth every time a measurement is given (like this page does). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.190.134 (talk) 18:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Apologies, when I saw that edit I thought you were changing in from 42km to 26km. IMHO, rhe primary measurement should be metric because I believe that is what Japan uses/used (British traditions); try leaving a query on the talk page of the article? Thank you for trying to help us out, and keep up the good work! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 22:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad it's all cleared up. I hope you enjoyed your weekend! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.190.134 (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

nz pictures

Raines is good because he died in 1955. I am updating the pages of your images on commons with the supporting citations.

Also apparently good, under NZ crown (NZ-PD) copyright:

• Henry Armytage Sanders,
• Thomas Scales (I have seen a lot of his in the collection)
• Malcolm Ross

Cheers, -J JMesserly (talk) 03:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Newsletter XIII

The WikiCup Newsletter

The WikiCup Newsletter Round II, Issue 3 - April 19, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content Leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants in this round with the most: Featured articles Ceranthor, Ottava Rima, Sasata and the_ed17 have all had 1 successful featured article nomination. Featured lists Rlevse has had 3 successful featured list nominations. Featured topics Rlevse has had 1 successful featured topic nomination. Featured pictures Durova has had 8 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds Shoemaker's Holiday has had 2 successful featured sound nominations. Featured portals No contestant has yet had a successful featured portal nomination. Good topics No contestant has yet had a successful good topic nomination. Good articles Theleftorium has had 3 successful good article nomination. Did you know? items Sasata has had 20 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Candlewicke has had 3 successful "In the news" nominations. For Round 1 stats, see Newsletter 10. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last week, and their points this week are: Rank User LF TF D 2 Rlevse 72 200 128 1 Shoemaker's Holiday 156 268 112 5 the_ed17 51 142 91 4 Theleftorium 120 193 73 3 Sasata 138 201 63 LF = Last Week's score, TF = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges A great turnaround from last week with one group even in a tie for first place and the automatic promotion slot. Good luck to all involved there!  GARDEN , iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a Round 2 total of: 4 Featured articles 7 Featured lists 1 Featured topic 13 Featured pictures 3 Featured sounds 0 Featured portal 0 Good topics 17 Good articles 46 Did you know? items 4 In the news items This combines with the Round 1 totals to make a grand total of: 24 Featured articles 39 Featured lists 3 Featured topics 148 Featured pictures 24 Featured sounds 1 Featured portal 2 Good topics 160 Good articles 350 Did you know? items 53 In the news items Pool leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top contestant from each pool, along with six wildcards, will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Shoemaker's Holiday (268) Pool B ThinkBlue (94) Pool C Rlevse (200) Pool D Candlewicke and (86) Pool E Durova (182) Pool F Sasata (201) Current Wildcards Theleftorium (193) the_ed17 (142) Wrestlinglover (128) Ottava Rima (123) Ceranthor (90) Useight (72) Gary King (61) J_Milburn (59) 97198 (53) All scores are accurate as of 21:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC) If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list.

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DYK for Brazilian battleship São Paulo

On April 21, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Brazilian battleship São Paulo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Re: Giovio Series

Hi Ed17 - I have responded to your query; please let me know what you think. Thanks, Kafka Liz (talk) 01:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK message

You left me a message on my talk page about one of the articles I nominated. When I click the link, I only go to the DYK nomination page. About which article is the question? Thelmadatter (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Would you be interested in helping?

We need more input to a discussion to resolve "if Gallipoli was part of European operations or not". You can reach the discussion using this link Conflict over Gallipoli Campaign. --TarikAkin (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK: Tocowa, Mississippi

I have responded to your comment on my DYK nomination here. - ℅ ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 05:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I have replied there again. Thanks. - ℅ ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 17:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

You fail

:P Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 16:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, my welcome > yours. You fail. :-) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your message. Cordovao (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Welcome to our little encyclopedia! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

We need to merge Chibata Revolt and Revolt of the Whip

Re Brazilian naval history, we need to merge Chibata Revolt and Revolt of the Whip. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 23:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I see two really relevant quotes from Google Books: "Joao Candido Felisberto (1880-1969), the "Black Admiral," was the leader of a sailors' revolt known as the Revolta da Chibata (Revolt of the Whip)" and "historical episode known as "A Revolta do Chibata" (

"The Revolt of the Whip")".

I'm thinking that 'The Revolt of the Whip' is the more proper term unless we go with "A Revolta do Chibata"? Any opinions, TPS'ers? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I say redirect "Revolt of the Whip" to "Chibata Revolt." This is en.wikipedia, after all, and "Revolta da Chibata" basically means "Revolt of Chibata" in Portuguese. (As a side note, I'm sure it's not "do Chibata." Portuguese isn't particularly given to solfege, I think. ;) ) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 22:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought chibata = whip? I'm not sure about this; please prove me wrong. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the chibata was a type of whip used for corporal punishment. It seems to me that if we're going to translate "Revolta do Chibata", we might as well go all the way and use "Revolt of the Whip". Parsecboy (talk) 02:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

And there are sources that call it "The Revolt of the Whip". Now, Mr. Big-shot Admin: would we need to do a history merge or would cut + paste suffice? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Do my eyes deceive me? Did the high exalted one actually suggest a cut and paste move? Ed...one must never move a page via copy-paste, for it separates it from the edit history and thus invalidates the GDFL </stern lecturing voice> Unless there's content from the current version of the Revolt of the Whip article that needs to be merged, then that article can just be deleted and moved over. If there is stuff that needs to be merged, then a hist merge is required. Just let me know, and I'll do whatever needs to be done (although it might take me a little while to get it done; freaking McAfee somehow managed to delete my system43/hal.dll, so my laptop is currently holding paper down until I can get my hands on my backup cd. So I'm using my brother's computer when I can.) Parsecboy (talk) 11:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, forgot to reply to this. :P Anyways...I think that Chibata a history merge would be best, though most of the content there is so POV it is to the point of useless. :/ Good luck with your computer, man; that sucks. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty, I'll take a look at it later today. I found out once I reinstalled Windows that McAfee also managed to delete dozens of other important files, including the driver for my ethernet and wireless connections. I managed to track down a driver for my wireless connection and reinstall it, so my computer hobbles on :) Parsecboy (talk) 12:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Update: my ethernet controller is back online ftw Parsecboy (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

(out) WOW, McAffe ftl. Good luck dude. :/ —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, let's just say I'm done with McAfee, forever. I did get everything pretty much fixed, driver-wise. There's still a number of programs that I need to reinstall, but that's not so crucial. Parsecboy (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Good. Geesh, that's ridiculous...congrats on getting the crucial stuff back. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Newsletter XIV

The WikiCup Newsletter

The WikiCup Newsletter Round II, Issue 4 - April 26, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content Leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants in this round with the most: Featured articles Ceranthor, Ottava Rima, Sasata and the_ed17 have all had 1 successful featured article nomination. Featured lists Rlevse and Wrestlinglover have both had 3 successful featured list nominations. Featured topics Rlevse has had 1 successful featured topic nomination. Featured pictures Durova has had 10 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds Shoemaker's Holiday has had 2 successful featured sound nominations. Featured portals No contestant has yet had a successful featured portal nomination. Good topics No contestant has yet had a successful good topic nomination. Good articles Mitchazenia and Theleftorium have both had 6 successful good article nominations. Did you know? items Sasata has had 23 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Candlewicke has had 8 successful "In the news" nominations. For Round 1 stats, see Newsletter 10. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last week, and their points this week are: Rank User LF TF D 1 Sasata 202 464 262 2 Durova 182 434 252 3 Mitchazenia 79 202 123 4 Useight 73 178 105 5 Paxse 87 174 87 LF = Last Week's score, TF = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges Another big week sees new leaders in many of the pools. Many of the wildcards are in triple figures so others might want to pick up the pace to make it through!  GARDEN , iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a Round 2 total of: 4 Featured articles 9 Featured lists 1 Featured topic 17 Featured pictures 3 Featured sounds 0 Featured portals 0 Good topics 25 Good articles 64 Did you know? items 11 In the news items This combines with the Round 1 totals to make a grand total of: 24 Featured articles 41 Featured lists 3 Featured topics 152 Featured pictures 24 Featured sounds 1 Featured portal 2 Good topics 168 Good articles 368 Did you know? items 60 In the news items Pool leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top contestant from each pool, along with six wildcards, will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Shoemaker's Holiday (346) Pool B Mitchazenia (202) Pool C Theleftorium (232) Pool D Paxse (174) Pool E Durova (234) Pool F Sasata (464) Current Wildcards Rlevse (227) Wrestlinglover (186) Useight (178) the_ed17 (154) Candlewicke (142) Scorpion0422 (130) Ottava Rima (123) ThinkBlue (104) Ceranthor (92) Gary King and Juliancolton (71) All scores are accurate as of 12:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC) If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list.

Delivered for the WikiCup by  ROBOTIC GARDEN  at 14:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC). To report errors see the talk page.

Oops

Sorry I accidentally wiped out your comment at TFA. I was having trouble with the formatting and was trying to fix my mess. I think it's fixed now. If you want add your comment back in. I was copying another TFA nom to try to fix the formatting. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope, it's fine :-) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 16:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

RfAs

Thanks for taking part in my RfA and giving my candidacy some consideration. Much appreciated. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Polish culture during World War II

In the past you've copyedited this article once. It has however failed the recent FAC nomination due to objections that this article has not been sufficiently copyedited before and that there are some "prose issues". I'd like to ask you to consider copyediting it again (I am not an native speaker of English so I cannot spot those "prose issues" myself). Thank you, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I can. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

A favor, perhaps?

My good friend, if I could press upon you for one tiny little favor, would you please take a look at this comment on SMS Seydlitz's FAC, in reference to the OCLC for one of the books? It doesn't seem to be working. Thanks! Parsecboy (talk) 11:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 15:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a million :) Parsecboy (talk) 15:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

You've been busy

Hi! And btw ... Wow. Kitplane01 (talk) 03:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

HEY!

Don't you EVER revert my edits again, unless you want to suffer the consequences! </false indignation> :P Parsecboy (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hahahaha well, I blame rogue clicking. :) But block an established user for one bad revert? You should be ready to face the consequences. ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure I can manufacture dig up a checkered past, to justify blocking you :P Parsecboy (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy, one block three years ago? ;) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 17:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The funny thing is, when NSLE reduced the duration of the block, he referred to you as "it" :) Parsecboy (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

9.9 —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 18:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, he/she/they...it could have been referring to Eddie's actions. Just a suggestion, albeit killjoy-ish. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 02:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Four Award

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work all through on Design 1047 battlecruiser.

♠TomasBat 22:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

:O More awards! Congrats, Eddie, you deserve each and every one. Hope your finals went well. :) —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 02:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Self-nominated too. ;) Thanks Pianista! Three of my finals went great; waiting for a grade on the fourth. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Oooo. Good luck with that. As for me, ‘‘my’’ finals are so close I can taste them :/ And congrats! PublicIcyhyo (talk) 18:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Alaska class cruiser

Someone has taken my drawing and changed various parts (Mk.37 directors and propellers come to mind) of it without contacting me for permission. It has also been converted to PNG and SVG format (something I could have done myself had you contacted me and asked). I don't appreciate the fact that my work has been taken and changed without someone at least asking for my input; I drew the Mk.37s and the propellers that way for a reason. I *do* know what I'm doing concerning drawing.

I'm not exactly sure I want to leave my drawing on Wikipedia if people are just going to change it around.

Colosseum (talk) 17:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the original and the two conversions, I'm fairly confident that the propeller and director changes were a total accident—a side effect of the conversion to svg, which was then taken and converted to png. No offense to Jappalang, but I don't think that he knows/cares enough about warships to go and and make changes to small details like that, and he didn't mark anything about modifying the image in his summary of changes. Only "Modifications: converted to PNG format. The original can be viewed here: CB-1_Alaska_Outboard_Profile_1.gif. Modifications made by Jappalang." and "Modifications: converte [sic] to SVG. The original can be viewed here: CB-1_Alaska_Outboard_Profile_1.gif. Modifications made by Jappalang." (taken from File:CB-1_Alaska_Outboard_Profile.png and File:CB-1_Alaska_Outboard_Profile.svg). If still really feel this strongly about it, contact a Administrator at Commons and ask for the three to be deleted, but it'd be a shame to lose the image, as it is really good. Alternatively, you or I could add a hatnote to all three requesting that you be notified via email if someone wants to/did make a modification to the image.... Please keep me updated. Cheers, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 18:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll reupload the image in .PNG format in its original scale. I will then change the copyright so that no one may modify it except myself.

I'd rather avoid this situation again.

Colosseum (talk) 00:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

...@ change of copyright: see Wikipedia:Image use policy#Adding images, specifically "Images which are listed as for non-commercial use only, by permission, or which restrict derivatives are unsuitable for Wikipedia and will be deleted on sight, unless they are used under fair use." Derivatives must be allowed, I'm afraid; this can't fall under fair use because public domain images of the ships exist (if this were a drawing of the never-built Design 1047 battlecruisers, it's a different story). —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 00:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Another relevant quote, this one from Wikipedia:Image use policy#Free licenses:

For a list of possible licenses which are considered "free enough" for Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. Licenses which restrict the use of the media to non-profit or educational purposes only (i.e. noncommercial use only), or are given permission to only appear on Wikipedia, are not free enough for Wikipedia's usages or goals and will be deleted.[1]. Sources of free images can be found at Wikipedia:Free image resources. In short, Wikipedia media (with the exception of "fair use" media—see below) should be as "free" as Wikipedia's content—both to keep Wikipedia's own legal status secure as well as to allow for as much re-use of Wikipedia content as possible.

So you're trying to tell me that, legally, *my* drawing of a ship can't be copyrighted because the ship is real? I think that's a load of bullshit.

Either way, I'm pulling the image from Wikipedia.

Colosseum (talk) 01:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm saying that it can't be used as "fair use". I'm trying to say that if it is to be used on this encyclopedia, it has to be licensed with one of the "free licenses"; see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Guidelines.

I'm very sorry to hear that; I hope you'll reconsider, but if you don't I understand. Sincerely, —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to tell me how to delete an image, cause I can't figure it out.

Colosseum (talk) 01:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Contact one of the Administrators at Wikimedia Commons—using the same method of how you use talk pages here on Wikipedia—and ask for the three (File:CB-1 Alaska Outboard Profile 1.gif, File:CB-1 Alaska Outboard Profile.svg and File:CB-1 Alaska Outboard Profile.png) to be deleted, mentioning that you drew the original. Feel free to leave another message here if the Commons admin refuses or you need additional help. Are you absolutely sure that you want the image deleted? The only thing he did to it is convert it to a different file extension; I can't fathom what about that angers you? On licensing, the image is currently under CC-by-3.0, which means that people can make derivatives—though people changing stuff other than file extensions is, as far as I know, uncommon. It also says that you, as the original author, have to be attributed with a link near the image. I can also add a photo credit in the caption of the article if you desire. If this isn't enough, then please follow the steps above, though as I said in a previous post I am very sorry to see that image go. Is there anything that can be done so that you will allow it to stay? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought about it while in the shower. The article benefits from it and there's really no reason to remove it. As long as my name stays on it it's fine.

So never mind. :P I *would* like the Mk.37 directors reverted, though. Jappalang's representation is incorrect.

Colosseum (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, and check your email. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)