Template talk:R from brand name

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Brand names are related words to generic names. Typically, the pharmacological properties associated with a brand are discussed at the target generic name entitled article, while marketing and formulation-related properties are discussed in the article associated with the manufacturing and/or marketing/licensing company. (posted by user:Ceyockey when talk page was created in 2006)

These are suggestions and not rules. Please use as you see fit, but it would be useful to comment on discovered utility here.

Use for

• branded pharmaceuticals, where a redirect from a brand name to a generic name exists
• products with multiple brands, where one brand predominates alongside other brands that are synonymous at the level of the product (for instance, a consumer cleaning solution might be marketed under several different brands depending upon the market, but all brands are equivalent with regard to the product identity); under this usage, double-redirects should be tolerated.

Don't use for

• brands that do not have generic identity equivalents; for instance:
  • Don't use to redirect 'Oldsmobile' to 'Automobile' as there is only a class relationship rather than an identity relationship between the two entitled concepts.
  • Don't use to redirect a non-notable brand to the manfacturer, such as a minor discontinued breakfast cereal name to it's manufacturer - use {{R to list entry}} for this case.

User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's the difference between this and {{R from trade name}}?? Suggest merge the two? -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 03:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not much, really. Except that this template was created in 2006 whereas the R from trade name was created in 2007. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So should we just merge the two? -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 08:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be reasonable to do so. My feeling is that 'brand name' is more consumer-oriented and is a subset of 'trade name', but I'm not 100% sure of this semantic relationship. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 12:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support merging. But after a merging I propose making sub-categories per brand area; pharmaceutical brands, ... --Kslotte (talk) 09:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking that the wording of this template, the title, is too generic for use primarily in the pharmaceuticals field. In particular, as configured right now, it's not suitable for, for instance, redirection from the brandname of a computer program to the program maker, as I found when considering using it for Sonic Charge→MicroTonic . I started looking through the WhatLinksHere to see what the template has been used for...

• Dacron→Polyethylene terephthalate; "Dacron" is actually a trademark for the compound, but R-from-trademark is not suitable as it refers to "redirect from a trademark to a more common stylisation or to the owner of the trademark". In this particular case, I'd think that expanding the usecases for R-from-trademark might be better, but using the current R-from-brand-name is not.
• Ouija board→Ouija; another incorrect use, as "Ouija" is a trademark and "board" is part of the generic terminology around the device. I'll replace R-from-brand-name with R-from-synonym.
• Seeing eye dog→Guide dog; another incorrect use which should be replaced with R-from-colloquial-name

Do people generally agree that a) this template has a role at it's present title, b) the role of this template should be expanded beyond drugs and c) redirects that fit with R-from-drug-trade-name should be removed from here and associated with that template? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:23, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at some of the uses/misuses, I think that 'brand name' and 'trade name' should be considered synonymous for the re-scoping, where R-from-drug-trade-name is a specific sub-cat and R-from-trademark is a wholly different matter, a legal designation. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:12, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]