Template:Did you know nominations/Jon Ritzheimer

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 07:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator

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Jon Ritzheimer

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Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 07:00, 4 January 2016 (UTC).

  • New enough and long enough, but not within policy, and the hook isn't in the article:
  • The LEAD doesn't summarize the rest of the article - the first sentence is "Jon Ritzheimer is an American affiliated with the 3 Percenters.", and the 3 percenters are not mentioned anywhere else in the article except the infobox, and aren't described anywhere. The second sentence is "In numerous social media posts, Ritzheimer has established his passionate opposition to Islam, the Bureau of Land Management, and talk show host Anderson Cooper." - social media posts about Anderson Cooper aren't mentioned anywhere in the article, at most it mentions something about a t-shirt with an obscenity. It doesn't mention his being a former marine, which is basically the entirety of one of the two sections of the article. It also doesn't describe the reason(s) for his notability, which seem, from reading the article body, to be appearing in public protests, and threatening people... which isn't really the same as "passionate opposition", see below.
  • The "See Also" section is on the border of being a WP:BLP violation; I'm pretty sure neither Gaffney nor Geller, who are at least somewhat respectable political commentators, would appreciate being associated with a radical militia man known for threatening people. Here is an example of that difference between "passionate opposition" and threats; Gaffney and Geller are passionately opposed to Islam (or Islamism), but don't occupy government property or appear in videos waving weapons.
  • The hook isn't in the article, the closest is "In January 2016, Ritzheimer participated in the militia occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge." which isn't the same as "lead".
  • In fact, that one sentence is the only way we mention what may well be a noticeable part of his notability. The Malheur occupation is what's what got him three of the sources in the references section, right? We should try to at least give that a paragraph.
  • And this isn't a policy violation as such, but I strongly recommend including all the points from the Washington Post article in our article. The Washington Post is the highest profile source cited in our article, so when they decide to mention his former Marine rank and position, and say that he is notable for some Draw Muhammad contest in Arizona, they might just know what they are doing. --GRuban (talk) 15:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I bolded "militia occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge" as the second target, which was created on 3 January. George Ho (talk) 18:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Added another QPQ for the 2nd article. George Ho (talk) 21:15, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, I think you're better off splitting these as two separate DYKs. Ritzheimer isn't that big a part of the Malheur occupation (looks like Ammon Bundy is their main spokesperson), and similarly, the Malheur occupation isn't the main thing that Ritzheimer is known for. --GRuban (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Done so. George Ho (talk) 23:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
  • GRuban, where does this nomination stand now? The Malheur nomination has been approved separately, so it is no longer germane here; I've removed the bolding George Ho inserted and fixed this template so it's no longer listed in the credits. Please proceed as appropriate. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I've been checking in on this nomination every so often, and not seen any response, so assumed nothing happened. Meanwhile the article has gotten better - Anderson Cooper is out of the lead, "anti-government and anti-Islam militarist" is better at describing his notability, more is there about the Malheur occupation - but I still don't like the "see also" section (I think I'm going to go remove it from the article, see if that sticks), and most importantly for DYK purposes, the words "helped lead" from the hook still aren't in our article. Though honestly, the addition suggests a better hook with the sex toy video! But as is, I'd reject it for DYK. --GRuban (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't understand your review. It appeared to be a GAN-light review instead of a DYK review as there were a lot of non-DYK criteria items critiqued I'm not willing to invest the time fixing (length of the LEAD, etc.) for an, essentially, throwaway article. Honestly, I can just write another article and submit it for a fast rubber-stamp DYK in the time it would take to sludge through this rigmarole. Just close it as withdrawn by nom. LavaBaron (talk) 13:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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