Talk:Verrado High School

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The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that initial plans for Verrado High School failed to consider acoustics, resulting in an undesired auditory experience? Source: CTDG
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piano Quintet (Schnittke)

5x expanded by SyntheticSystems (talk). Self-nominated at 20:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

• Well, this is a bit surreal, SyntheticSystems. I created this stub 12 years ago this week, and now here it is at DYK by a user who is clearly pointing a ton of time and attention at it—as their first contribution, no less. Welcome, and thanks for doing a QPQ on your first contribution!
  • DYKcheck does not tell me it's a 5x, which might be because of past vandalism reversions (I can easily see that happening on a high school article, having made more than half of the ones on high schools in this state), so I checked manually. The page was 2,376 bytes readable prose before expansion and is now 11,537 characters. (I did some copyediting, and it now sits at 11,568.) A 5x expansion is 11,880 characters. You need 312 characters readable prose to get this to 5x.
  • The source checks out, though I'm not sure it's the type of source I'd use to anchor a DYK hook. It's a blurb from a construction company. It is interesting, but I don't know if it holds up on source scrutiny. I am presenting some alternate hooks for your consideration. ALT2 requires an edit to the article, but it jumped out at me while I was perusing the list of references, and it might help you close the characters gap.
    • ALT1: ... that Verrado High School incorporates elements of New Urbanism in its design? (AGF to Byrne)
    • ALT2: ... that Verrado High School in Arizona offers all-female engineering classes? [1]

I like the second one more but both are great and better than mine. SyntheticSystems (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• • Non-DYK aside: I can provide newspapers.com clippings for any missing (offline) Arizona Republic articles and will likely add them myself at some point.
• I have additional comments for you that aren't related to the DYK process that I will be placing on your user talk page. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:55, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• As I noted in my comments at the article's FAC, there are two issues I see with how we're handling apparently copyrighted media: the logo in the infobox is uploaded without evidence of a valid license, and an image containing that logo prominently on the side of a building is problematic from an FOP perspective if the logo is copyrighted. The design looks modern enough that I can't definitively declare it too old to be copyrighted, and we plainly can't pass DYKs with extant image copyvio because those articles are in violation of our non-free content policy and thereby violate WP:DYKCRIT#4 (passing an article with problems with the close paraphrasing or copyright violations of images and/or text is a no-can-do). This is going to need to be fixed if this should move forward through DYK. I'll conduct a more thorough review soon, but I wanted to state this here before I go on and do that. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 07:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I fixed that. SyntheticSystems (talk) 15:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Courtesy ping Red-tailed hawk. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ping noted. I no longer have an objection based upon the improper use of non-free files. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sammi Brie, are there other issues remaining? DYKcheck gives the current prose size as 12511 characters, which it says is a 5x expansion. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
          • @BlueMoonset: I'm still unsure if ALT0's source (which is a construction case study by a company [2]) should be anchoring the hook. I proposed ALT1 and ALT2 as well. But no textual issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:18, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
            • Thanks, Sammi Brie. Since you proposed the ALT hooks, we'd better get a new reviewer in here. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• New reviewer needed to conduct a full review since one reviewer has not returned and the other proposed two of the ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Courtesy ping to Red-tailed hawk. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alt 2 looks good to me. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 07:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • To clarify, I have reviewed the article for all the criteria, and it looks fine at this point. I like Alt2 over Alt1 for reasons of interestingness, and I think this is ready for promotion, BlueMoonset. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]