Talk:Saint Vincent and the Grenadines/Archive 1

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Hmm, why shouldn't I remerge Military of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines? It's hideously stubby... Martin 12:11, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It's hideous (period) as its own section in the main article. This way, it's out of view. There's the potential for there to be more added. Let's follow the standard country template. --Jiang 22:58, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

We're not following Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries for communications and foreign relations - Why follow for military? If more is added, then in due course it can always be summarised here and spun off (as for "foreign relations"). It's bad tmesis, perhaps. Too much reader/editor time wasted following links that provide no additional information. Martin 12:26, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Ahi dis is sooooooooookoolstrotrain and SimonP, please stop reverting each other without discussion. Presumably whether to include those templates or not is a decision affecting not just this page, so if the discussion is taking elsewhere please let me know. Pcb21| Pete 18:47, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

No, it's going on all over - half a dozen or more pages on my watchlist. I agree - let the rest of us know where the debate is going on, let's get it resolved! (It isn't like the two of them are the only editors on any of these pages). Guettarda 18:56, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about all of this. There is some talk about this on the user pages of Astrotrain, Jtdirl, and I. There is also some discussion at Talk:Canada#Templates and just recently at Talk:United Kingdom. In the past the template issue has been much debated at WikiProject_Countries. - SimonP 19:27, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Guettarda 19:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 04:12 (UTC)

"In 2000 it had 15 ISPs."

I seriously doubt the validy of this claim. And logically, why would a country with 3,500 internet users have 15 ISPs?

Haha. I doubt the validity of that statement too. I checked the CIA's entry on the country. They say that in 2005 there were 21 Internet hosts. Maybe that was misinterpreted as ISP's. I'll correct it. ~ Hairouna 22:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Something to keep in mind... Many US-based ISPs used to have dial-up on-ramps in the Caribbean for their customers when they'd go on vacation.. These numbers although they would be considered a local call when in the Caribbean the ISP would still add their own large- per minute fee (which they would make-up and charge their customer's Internet bill for that customer placing a long distance phone call back to the USA using the on-ramp.) This fee was added to the customer's Internet bill when they returned home. None the less this practice of on-ramps have decreased since many ISPs now offer web=based email access and thus you don't need to POP3 home. Many did have phone #s in the Caribbean.

P.S. THE CIA is NOT always correct never use it as fact. Example: See List of radio stations in Barbados which I myself put together because I know the CIA was dead wrong. Look at the CIA report on how many radio stations the United States' CIA (thinks) are in Barbados[1] and then see that list. There is one station missing from the list I made to be even more accurate and that's the CBC's repeater FM channel. Eventually you learn the CIA factbook is hardly worth using. Again on the CIA's page about Barbados look at the Map carefully... In error it says the WEST-coast of Barbados is the "Caribbean Sea". when infact the Caribbean Sea lies to the west of Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent. Barbados is actually located purely in the Atlantic Ocean. Additionally it is 441 Sq. Km. (I'm waiting on confirmation on this from the Prime Minister's office because the Habour dredging added a huge amount of filled in land to the island so Barbados may not be "431" anymore since 1960's I think. CaribDigita 01:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Thanks a lot for that. Now that you mention it, I think the CIA's figure on the number of radio stations in St. Vincent may be off, evne though it's close.... I don't know where I could check the number of cell phones, though, or the number of land-lines...short of calling Digicel and Cable and Wireless and asking. Apart from that, I find the Internet penetration figure quite suspect. 8000 is rather low, especially if one counts people who use the Internet once a week or so, as the CIA says is sometimes acceptable.

What do you think should be done? Delete the dubious Communications information until we have good sources for them, or leave them as they are for now? ~ Hairouna 14:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The CIA info I think is ok for now.... CARICOM is rolling out a statistics site [2] that site is live however it is still in the works. Additionally the SVG government is still rolling out their own sites. http://www.gov.vc/ Amoung them the statistics site is also still currently in the works. [3]

P.s. There is also a site [4] which might have more stats but I can't get it to load on my PC at the moment.... CaribDigita 00:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Since this seems to be in dispute, could someone provide a supporting citation that God Save the Queen has official status in St Vincent? Guettarda 02:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge none of the British monarcy stuff has any status within St Vincent --T-rex 09:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The person who first added the bit seems to be of the impression that it's a result of us being a Commonwealth State. According to the article on royal anthems, God Save the Queen is the royal anthem of the Commonwealth Realms. If that's true, then it's the royal anthem of St. Vincent and the Grenadines. ~ Hairouna 02:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"If that's true" - that's really the crux of the matter. Is it true, and also, is it universally true (i.e., while it may be true in some countries, that doesn't make it true in all, and to have any official status in a given country, St Vincent in this case, wouldn't it have to have been given that status under StV law?)? In addition, the royal anthems page is unreferenced, so it it really doesn't have much weight. Guettarda 14:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Given the lack of evidence, I'm going to remove it again --T-rex 22:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I entered St. Vincent into the search engine and got Vincent De Paul (The Saint). There was no mention of the Island on the page. I personally think St. Vincent should be linked to here... Opinions?