Talk:Sachiko Tsuruta

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@Netherzone I know the Physics Today article was just a brief mention in the "In Brief" section (you have to download the whole PDF to view it), but I thought it was good to have so it's not just press release reprints we are citing, and also to demonstrate she had coverage over time (although maybe it's so minor it doesn't matter). Cielquiparle (talk) 16:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I must have made a mistake if you are talking about the citation I removed and replaced with another. I did not see her name at all in it, that is why I added the other citation. Please feel free to add it back! Netherzone (talk) 20:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC) Courtesy ping Cielquiparle Netherzone (talk) 20:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was briefly a link to something on "ebscohost.com" apparently added in an edit by @Cielquiparle that has since disappeared. That may or may not have been been the Physics Today link, but I don't know. When I first noticed the edit, it was apparently paywalled so I didn't note what the publication was, and then not much later it was gone. -- SelfCorrection (talk) 06:12, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle, @SelfCorrection, I've restored the citation I removed even tho it is a simple name check, and it contracts what comes after in the sentence in terms of dates of her teaching at MSU that are now in the article, and does not contribute to notability. I left the more valuable citation I replaced it with (Bozeman Magazine) in place. Personally, I do not think we need it. Her notability has been established per the notable award and her citation stats/H-index score. Netherzone (talk) 15:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes article is looking much better now than yesterday when I added it! Cielquiparle (talk) 15:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd try to double-check the dates but I am again encountering the EBSCOhost paywall block when I follow the Physics Today reference link. I'll try again when I am at my office later, but I don't have a lot of confidence it will work there either. There is conflict between a couple of the other references about when Tsuruta became full-time faculty at MSU, one says 1989, another says 1990. -- SelfCorrection (talk) 15:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see the conflict as well. I think all of the above could be true (1977 visiting professor, 1984–5 join faculty, 1989–90 either became "tenure track" or possibly even secured tenure. In any case she was at MSU for a long time, since 1977. I don't think all that granularity about her CV/titles matters in the end, so fine to remove the Physics Today reference. (In this case, it seems OK to go with what her official MSU bio says.) Cielquiparle (talk) 15:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SelfCorrection, Here is what the Physics Today citation says about her: The physics department at Montana State University has added to its faculty; Sachiko Tsuruta and William Hiscock, both of whom do research in theoretical astrophysics. It is dated: January 1985. I think it is somewhat confusing regarding the date(s) of her hire, but if you think it should stay, it's been restored to the article. If you think it should be removed again, please feel free to do so. I'll leave the decision up to others. Netherzone (talk) 16:06, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be one of those academia administrative definition things. -- SelfCorrection (talk) 16:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As presently (26 Jan 2023) listed in the article, the "Selected Works" section is based on what I copied over from Tsuruta's de.wikipedia entry, plus I inserted her doctoral thesis at the top. The list seems weighted toward articles published later in her career, and I know it omits numerous neutron star articles she authored or co-authored in the late 1960s and 1970s, including many co-authored with Cameron. But I do not know the topic enough to decide which such articles should be added to the listing, and whether any of the listed works should be removed. Anyone with astrophysics and especially neutron star knowledge is welcome to improve the list. -- SelfCorrection (talk) 13:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Maybe consider posting something on WikiProject Physics and WikiProject Astronomy talk pages. Editors who follow those projects may have more knowledge of that area, and be able to assess the importance of her articles. I'm not an expert in those specific areas, I just have a general interest in women in science. Netherzone (talk) 15:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added an image of a neutron star to improve the article. Also, it occurred to me this morning that this would make a good DYK for the main page, if anyone feels so inclined. There is already a possible hook: Did you know... Sachiko Tsuruta predicted the existence of neutron stars as a doctoral student before their discovery in the form of pulsars.[1], along with an image of a neutron star. Just a random idea to help improve the visibility of women astrophysicists....thoughts? Netherzone (talk) 16:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be very cautious about making such a blunt claim. The wikipedia page for neutron stars, under "History of discoveries", indicates that their existence was proposed as early as 1933. However, that section then jumps to the 1960s. What all happened in between? IDK. -- SelfCorrection (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, interesting, then why is that sentence included in the article if it is dubious/disputed? I've added a dubious template to the claim. Netherzone (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first version of this article was just a translation of the German version, so that statement is simply a translation of, "Tsuruta sagte schon als Doktorandin vor deren Entdeckung in Form von Pulsaren (1967) die Existenz von Neutronensternen voraus." However, the Bozeman Magazine reference also includes the statement, "Her most important contribution to astrophysics is said to be her prediction that neutron stars existed." When I try to find history of neutron star research background on-line, I have so far found pretty much nothing between 1933 and Tsuruta's thesis. — SelfCorrection (talk) 05:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The abstract to her doctoral dissertation is posted on-line [2]. As I parse it, it is less about whether neutron stars exist but more whether and how easily they could be detected. — SelfCorrection (talk) 06:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]