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The statement that "according to the international community, the Gaza Strip is still considered to be occupied by Israel" is unhelpfully vague (the "international community" by which definition?), and the section ignores the view of international law scholars who dispute that Gaza remains occupied. These include, e.g., Marko Milanovic, Hanne Cuyckens, Yuval Shany, Ruth Lapidoth, Eyal Benvenisti, Eugene Kontorovich. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.20.237.210 (talk) 14:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Please could you provide links to each of these so we can see their stated positions? Onceinawhile (talk) 15:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you 2600:1700:9830:37C0:3CE7:6091:33FB:6854 (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can always use the language used at the Gaza Strip article, "the United Nations, international human rights organisations, and the majority of governments and legal commentators consider the territory to be still occupied by Israel". and here's some refs:

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CNN

"The U.N. position

In February 2008, Secretary-General Ban was asked at a media availability whether Gaza is occupied territory. "I am not in a position to say on these legal matters," he responded.

The next day, at a press briefing, a reporter pointed out to a U.N. spokesman that the secretary-general had told Arab League representatives that Gaza was still considered occupied.

"Yes, the U.N. defines Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Occupied Palestinian Territory. No, that definition hasn't changed," the spokesman replied.

Farhan Haq, spokesman for the secretary-general, told CNN Monday that the official status of Gaza would change only through a decision of the U.N. Security Council."

Selfstudier (talk) 16:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There has been no on-the-ground Israeli military presence in Gaza since the pull out in 2005. 2600:8803:C7DC:2100:19C4:7134:CB66:BE64 (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There have been a range of incursions actually, including 2006 Israeli operation in Beit Hanoun and March 2010 Israel–Gaza clashes, but that somewhat besides the point. Gazans do not control their land borders, their territorial waters or their airspace. A prison is still a prison even if the guards aren't patrolling the yard. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above, though the OP is correct the language is a bit vague. "Majority of governments" would indicate all governments expressed an opinion, and the majority said it is occupied. So I agree with Iskandar323 that the outside control is so tight as to make it, in effect, an occupied area. No dispute from me there. We could be a bit clearer on who says so. Jeppiz (talk) 19:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but why have the Israelis been monitoring the airspace and conducting military operations in the region? You think it might have something to do with the fact that rockets and mortars are frequently launched from Gaza into civilian territories in Israel? Nothing to do with anything?

I honestly do not believe much of this article is neutral but I do not have the time or interest to try and propose any changes. But just in terms of common sense, responding to missile/mortar attacks and terrorist attacks is not generally what comes to mind when one hears the word "occupied". Jonathan f1 (talk) 01:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons why it is occupied do not alter its state of being occupied. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These territories are widely referred to as the Occupied Palestinian territory (OPT or oPt) and which is defined as the West Bank including EJ and Gaza. I will check to see whether that is commonname in recent times or whether the anachronistic Palestinian territories still holds. Selfstudier (talk) 11:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you 2600:1700:9830:37C0:3CE7:6091:33FB:6854 (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to Jonathan 2600:1700:9830:37C0:3CE7:6091:33FB:6854 (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The map should be updated to show that the Gaza Strip is not governed by the Palestinian government Shaked13 (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that al Hamma was a Palestinian territory under Syrian military occupation till 1967. It's mentionned together with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the Palestinian covenant of 1964 (art. 24 of the covenant). Hence this area should technically be included in the "occupied territories" considered by resolution 242 of UN Security council. Unlike West Bank and Gaza strip, it's not included in the Arab state according to the Palestine plan of partition dated 1947, but UN SC resolution 242 does not refer to this previous plan of partition. Today is called hamat Gader. Pinji (talk) 05:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1967 and has since maintained control to The Gaza Strip has been under the de facto governing authority of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) since 2007 Aicnem.4202 (talk) 00:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Jamedeus (talk) 00:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]