Talk:Miami/Archive 3

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Under the "Government" section (in prose, not in the facts box), it states that the city has the "council-manager" form of government. This should be changed to "mayor-commission" form of government. It appears to be a typo—it's listed correctly in the quick facts box, and the wiki entry for "Government of Miami" states correctly that it's mayor-commission(er). Thanks!

Letsplayfair (talk) 04:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing this out. GroveGuy (talk) 18:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there a reason that the "Miami Causeways" table in the article lists seven causeways, while the paragraph beneath it is written as if there were only six? StevenJ81 (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

As often happens in WP articles about cities, material about areas outside of the city often creeps into the article about the city. In this case, both the Broad Causeway and the Lehman Causeway are entirely outside the City of Miami, and neither should be included. So, strictly speaking, there should only be five causeways in the table and the text. However, I'm not going to tackle that problem right now. -- Donald Albury 01:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. I took out Lehman Causeway. It is a causeway in the sense that it is a limited access road but on the other hand it is just a short bridge over the intercoastal and it is 'way outside the city. I left Broad Causeway because it is more of a causeway - it looks like a causeway on a map - and it is just barely outside the city limits. -GroveGuy (talk) 02:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The city also appears in the video game Ace Combat Assault Horizon where it is under attack by Russian Forces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.148.221 (talk) 23:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Please note: The Bienvenido Parkway resort is part of an extended malaria-free wildlife area where vervet monkeys and Chacma baboons can still roam freely. They should therefore be acknowledged and treated as wild animals. Should they be fed, they will lose their natural fear of humans and become aggressive and dangerous. Anyone caught feeding these animals will be liable to pay a fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.197.77 (talk) 00:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

hi, I`m from Germany and my englisch teacher told me that young people often drives with their cars and play loud music on the beach.- I couldend belive that, but is it true? 188.108.20.188 (talk) 12:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

No on the beach you get bikini women and that's it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.185.239 (talk) 17:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The current conditions in Miami is Cloudy, temperature of 80°F, wind speeds of 12 mph, and humidity at 84%. Adjkasi (discuss me) 06:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

There's been a paper done about the english spoken in the city that goes into good linguistic detail, compared to the sentence on the page currently which linguistically speaking is vague at best, and the linguistic properties in the actual article looks like theyre just describing chicano english, which is not unique to miami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.236.86 (talk) 01:49, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

In the Economy section, Miami is cited as being a "Beta-" Global City. The first paragraph in the article, as well as the Global City reference link, properly cite Miami as being an "Alpha-" city. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.196.195 (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. Beta minus was in 2008. Now the economy section fixed to say Alpha minus. GroveGuy (talk) 03:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Please remove unnecessary bracket:

from: Miami /maɪˈæmi/ or /maɪˈæmə/) to: Miami (/maɪˈæmi/ or /maɪˈæmə/) Andron35 (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Done. Benign, uncontroversial CE request only. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe that it has snowed in Miami more than just once, very recently. Jackster69 (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

It has never snowed in Miami. Howard Kleinberg says there was a newspaper article saying there were a couple of flakes on Jan 19, 1977, but he doesn't think it was true. GroveGuy (talk) 07:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

January 19, 1977. An infamous day for Miamians. The Day it Snowed in Miami.--Comayagua99 (talk) 02:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Why Miami was a good article, then removed from the list? Is it because of {{Citation needed}} and many maintenance templates? Eyesnore (talk) 01:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Please change the link in Footnote 5 from http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/SUB-EST2009.html to http://www.census.gov/popest/data/historical/2000s/vintage_2009/city.html to fix a dead link. Please change the link in Footnote 6 from http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/tables/SUB-EST2009-01.csv to http://www.census.gov/popest/data/cities/totals/2009/tables/SUB-EST2009-01.csv to fix a dead link. Avarson (talk) 17:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Rivertorch (talk) 18:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please change (X)...

"As well as having all four major professional teams, Miami is also home to Miami FC, Miami Tropics, the Sony Ericsson Open for professional tennis, numerous greyhound racing tracks, marinas, jai alai venues, and golf courses."

to (Y)...

"As well as having all four major professional teams, Miami is also home to Miami United F.C., the Sony Ericsson Open for professional tennis, numerous greyhound racing tracks, marinas, jai alai venues, and golf courses."

Official Sites http://miamiunitedsoccer.com/ (official site) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_United_F.C. (newly formed Wiki page) http://www.nationalpremiersoccerleague.com/teams/58259561/58648885-58259648/TEAM.html (NSPL League: Team Profile Page)

Additional References http://www.footballzz.com/equipa.php?id=83481&epoca_id=0

Done --ElHef (Meep?) 17:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done:. No real reason to remove this club from article. Subtropical-man (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Miami Tropics are no longer an active team. According to our own article, the team hasn't been active since 2008, and in fact the team is already listed with the defunct teams at the end of the section. Am I missing something? --ElHef (Meep?) 17:27, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, maybe own article about Miami Tropics show club as active to 2008, but are there any reliable and independent sources about this? Sources about Miami United F.C. with no mention of the Miami Tropics are not sources for this. It is important, before changes in article. Subtropical-man (talk) 17:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair point, but in the process of looking for sources I turned up exactly none - to show the ongoing existence of the team or of its discontinuation. That being the case, my concern becomes less about accuracy and more about notability - even if the team does still exist, if there's no source either way, should it be mentioned? --ElHef (Meep?) 21:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

ok, good point. Subtropical-man (talk) 08:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

place trnslate into Azerbaijan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.47.152.171 (talk) 11:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It is not at all clear if you are referring to the article on Miami (which is the article for which this talk page exists), but there is an article on the Azerbaijani Wikipedia for Miami. It is at az:Mayami (Florida). If you are asking for a translation of another article, you need to go to the talk page for that article. Horologium (talk) 03:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The article states in the history section: Spain and Great Britain alternatively "controlled" Florida, and Spain ceded it to the United States in 1821.

The truth is that Spanish Florida (Larger than present-day Florida)was part of the Spanish empire from 1513 to 1819, except for a 20-year period from 1763 to 1783, when it was controlled by Britain. In short, 286 years Spanish and 20 years British. It is so interesting, how Americans consistently try to downplay the role of Spain in present-day US territory and in America in general that it would be funny if it was not so pathetic. Pipo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.48.77 (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

If you read the main article History of Miami (conveniently linked at the beginning of the section), you will see that Spanish control of Florida is discussed in excruciating detail. Spain's contribution to Miami is relatively minor; the first mission built only lasted a couple of years, the second one was abandoned after a year, and there was essentially no further Spanish presence in Miami, other than the shifting claims between the Spanish, British, and ultimately Americans. Your claim that "Americans" are attempting to minimize Spain's role in American history is groundless, and appears to be nothing more than anti-American snobbery (and a pretty strong assumption of bad faith). Horologium (talk) 23:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Well now, let's not assume anything Horologium. He raises a valid concern. However, it is basically common knowledge that the Latins conquered the Americas and that Florida (La Florida) was discovered, conquered, and first settled by Spain and Spaniards. I do agree with 76.26.48.77 though. Many Americans, especially those of Germanic descent, downplay the role of Spain, France, and Italy's involvement with discovering and conquering the Americas. But, as Horologium stated, it is written at History of Miami. Afro-Eurasian (talk) 02:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

The fact that "Anglo-Americans" have been downplaying the role of Spain in the US, America and the world is well known among people with a real education. Still most "Americans" think that the sentence "Columbus discovered America" means that Columbus discovered the US. In short, their ignorance of history is huge and not a coincidence. How many of them know that most of its territory was once called New Spain? History in the US is not science, it is propaganda. By the way, a map of New Spain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_Spain.svg

Pipo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.48.77 (talk) 03:21, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

As well as History of Miami, see History of Florida and St. Augustine, Florida. Spain's influence in the New World is quite extensively covered there. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Health and Welfare ‖ 05:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Also check out St. Bernard de Clairvaux Church, for an interesting slice of medieval Spain in North Miami. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Welfare State ‖ 05:28, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I may have overstated my point, but my comment was about that line right in the Miami article. That trend in the portrayal of American history is real, but it is also true that it is changing lately. Pipo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.167.103.222 (talk) 12:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:15, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Under sport section in Miami Dolphins there is "football". After all this is American Football, and Football is diffrent kind of sport. Even link is to amercian football. This is really confusing and first when I was reading this I was thinking Miami Dolphins is a football team. UPDATE: I cant't agree it is WP:ENGVAR problem. It would be, if it would be linked to grammar or something similar. In this case we talking about two diffrent disciplines of sports. Like I mantioned before, even link is described as "American_footbal" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football). Kijcze (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. While I understand your plight, this is a case of WP:ENGVAR (specifically, MOS:TIES). As such, you will need a consensus to change this. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:24, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Kijcze:The common name is 'football'. Our article on football says "Football refers to a number of sports that involve, to varying degrees, kicking a ball with the foot to score a goal." and "The word "football", when used in reference to a specific game can mean any one of those described above. Because of this, much friendly controversy has occurred over the termfootball, primarily because it is used in different ways in different parts of the English-speaking world. Most often, the word "football" is used to refer to the code of football that is considered dominant within a particular region. So, effectively, what the word "football" means usually depends on where one says it." And then says "Association football is known generally as soccer where other codes of football are dominant, including: the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. American football is always football in the United States." It also points out that theFIFA associates in Canada and America use the word 'soccer'. The Dolphins are most definitely a football team. And please start a new post when you update, don't edit an old one. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Still no consensus here... — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 11:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

It does appear that the pronunciation has changed since 1953, but should we mention that it has changed? I know I grew up with the old pronunciation. 06:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs)

If you can find a reference in a reliable source which discusses it. The pronunciation has been discussed before (see the talk archives), but our talk pages are not useful as references (and I'm positive that such a statement would not go unchallenged). Horologium (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The protection was established with the statement, "No reason to edit or move without discussion." One could say that about thousands of other redirects, one shouldn't have to submit a request for making edits to a redirect with no history of vandalism anyway. I was going to add a tag to the redirect, {{R from city and state}}, but I found the page to be fully protected, and the reasoning for this protection was flawed. Pages shouldn't be protected needlessly. Dustin (talk) 05:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

It was protected because it was moved by Grawp to an exceptionally offensive title. It remains protected because it has been the subject of multiple discussions and several unilateral moves, and it in fact does not need to be edited. I will go ahead and add that tag, but I will not reduce protection on the page. Horologium (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

That's strange, I checked the redirect's history, and I did not see any problems... I'm not saying that I doubt what you have said, but could you say where that history is located? I don't see how any acts of vandalism that occurred before the page moved from Miami, Florida to Miami could be relevant to the redirect itself; they would have just been common acts of article vandalism. If there was vandalism which occurred since redirection and movement of Miami, Florida to Miami, then it would make more sense what you are saying, but this does not, at least, appear to be the case. I brought up a similar issue at the redirects San Diego, California and Boston, Massachusetts. Dustin (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

When you say move, do you mean to a different title? If that's the case, then why don't you just apply move protection? Dustin (talk) 01:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

You cannot see the deleted edits, which is where the vandalism lies. I was incorrect about the form of vandalism; this was one of the more mild forms, a variation of "Hagger" (the link in my previous post has details of this editor's modus operandi), but it was deleted nonetheless (WP:DENY). As for protection, you need to know that Miami, Florida was the original location of the main article, not a redirect, and it was protected after the two bouts of Grawp's page move nonsense, a bunch of basic vandals, and a couple of page moves without discussion, let alone consensus. (Look at the public log for the redirect to get an idea of what was going on before the protection. Look especially at the nine 2008 protections, in which the article was barraged with vandalism after protection ended.) Because most American cities use the "city, state" format, a fair number of people who are looking for the city will use the standard convention, and we don't need to have the target changed, by a vandal or someone who is not aware of the extensive discussion that occurred prior to the last move. Further, semi-protection would not work because Grawp had a sockfarm of autoconfirmed accounts which could use to conduct page-move rampages before they were blocked. Horologium (talk) 04:48, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

You haven't really responded to my comments about the same thing occurring at San Diego, California and Boston, Massachusetts, but it appears those pages were being vandalized by the same user. It's too bad that you can't just protect the targets of the redirects which would at least allow for templates and categories to be modified; if you could do this, then I think an editor with the proper rights would only need to apply move protection along with the aforementioned, nonexistent "target protection." Dustin (talk) 13:38, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I didn't respond to your comments about San Diego and Boston because those pages are not on my watchlist, but they too were not redirects but the primary article in 2008. I don't recall when the protection regime was altered to allow separate levels for moves and editing (they weren't always different), but we've had similar edits (from this vandal, and from others) in which redirects were altered to send users to potentially offensive images, or other forms of vandalism. I understand your desire to make edits in a manner which is beneficial to Wikipedia (and I commend that effort), but certain targets are vandal magnets, and this is one of them. There are currently several thousand pages which link to Miami, Florida, and any edit to that redirect will affect the links on those pages. (One could change the redirect target to something truly vile; there are plenty of pages in Wikipedia which are NC-17. If someone were to click the link to Miami on Amelia Earhart, for example, a change to the redirect could send her to something else entirely, and what's more, vandalism like that is more likely to escape detection because redirects are seldom watched with the same intensity as active articles. As the edit summary says, there is no reason to edit this redirect (other than to add a template such as the one you suggested, which I did). You can always use the {{edit protected}} tag to get an administrators attention on a fully-protected page; it's inconceivable that any admin would reject such a request, because it's both policy-compliant and non-controversial. Horologium (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Please replace {{R from city and state}} with "{{This is a redirect|from city and state|fully protected}}". When making this edit, please just copy the template from where it appears on the page itself, not from the code seen while editing. Here it is again: {{This is a redirect|from city and state|fully protected}}. Please enter it in the way I have given, although any editor who does so may add additional redirect templates if necessary. Please ask if any clarification is needed. Thank you. Dustin (talk) 00:07, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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add 'global' in first sentence of paragraph two. There is no reference as to what Miami is a leader in (regional, USA? global?) - in context with the two sources cited it implies Miami is a global leader (beta -)

so its: Miami is a major center and a global leader in finance . . . .

thanks for your consideration. Centaury8 (talk) 11:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 123chess456 (talk) 01:54, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Miami is in Florida and it's cool. Derp643 (talk) 01:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 01:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Please add Madrid, Spain to the Sister Cities list. Thanks! http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2014/06/23/madrid-and-miami-sign-up-as-twin-towns/ http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com/latino-daily-news/details/madrid-and-miami-sign-friendship-accord/30335/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.241.244.142 (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Done -GroveGuy (talk) 02:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

419,777 / 35.68 = 11,765 why does it keep being put as the current inflated number of 12,139.5? If it's by subtracting public parks or road area or canals (some small waterways such as creeks don't count as water surface area) or some other zany thing then that is far out of touch with how this figure works for essentially all other places where it goes by total land area. I'm changing it to the mathematically logical answer; unless there is a good explanation please don't change it back. B137 (talk) 22:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I thought that Miami was pronounced in Spanish kind of like Mee-AH-mee. The first line of the article seems to indicate a Spanish pronunciation close to the English one. 121.220.135.131 (talk) 14:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I changed "eighth" to "seventh" regarding Miami-Dade County's rank in U.S. counties with the highest populations. This is based off of the county's own article, as well as the article which includes a list of said counties. Magneto10 (talk) 05:05, 26 September, 2012 (UTC)

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spelling of french needs to be changed form frecnh to french under demographics 46.7.220.20 (talk) 16:00, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done: [1]. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Is that the issue? Or? Obviously there are numerous coconut trees in Miami. Dougweller (talk) 21:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

No argument. But using their presence to support an uncited fact shouldn't be done. And simply to state that there are coconut trees in Miami would fall under WP:TRIVIA. Onel5969 (talk) 21:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Climate statements need sources. I always thought we had a subtropical climate.Dougweller (talk) 09:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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In sports in Miami, the BB&T Center's average attendance for the Florida Panthers is not 10,000, it's 15,384. This part has to be updated and ESPN confirms it as well. For that chart that contains the teams and their attendance, please change the Florida Panthers' average attendance from 10,250 to 15,384.

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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 16:19, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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Please change the Population density calculation from using the Metropolitan city area to the land area. No one lives in the almost 20 sq miles of water reported in the metropolitan city area. You can see the water area reported in the the following map: http://www.miamigov.com/planning/images/maps/MiamiRegion8x11.pdf Popopatrol (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 01:33, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

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In the section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami#Private_schools:

"...Non-denominational private schools in Miami are Ransom Everglades, Gulliver Preparatory School, and Miami Country Day School. Other schools in the area include Samuel Scheck Hillel Community Day School, Dade Christian School, Palmer Trinity School, and Westminster Christian School."

Please add "and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riviera_Schools. " Ibisstudio (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 19:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

The uncited land area measurement of “1,116.1 sq mi” for the Urban area (with a population of ~5.5 million people? What defines the urban area?) seems implausible, as it is smaller than the area of Miami-Dade county. The county has a landmass of greater than 1,800 sq miles according to its Wikipedia page, but only has a population of 2.7 million people. So something is not right here with the landmass/population measurements.

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I believe the pronunciation would more accurately be in Spanish mayami > IPA [ma.'ʝã.mi.] or /ma.'ʝa.mi/. Although certain dialects may not use that pronunciation because they lack an ʝ and use rather ʒ/ʃ as in the Argentinian dialect, but they are in the minority among Spanish speakers in Miami, but nevertheless using a diphthong and then a vowel doesn't really happen because Spanish unlike english relegates the j sound to weakly pronounced syllables or for the few falling diphthongs, but in most cases the j is hardened generally as ʝ or even more strongly ɟ͡ʝ/d͡ʒ or also but more so in South America as ʒ or even ʃ in Argentina. So much so that the softened j as in English is really an lenited allophonic variant or even non-existent in the Argentinian dialects outside of the few Spanish falling diphthongs such as hay or traigo (which are much rarer than in English). And nasalization of the preceding vowel is phonemic in much of the Spanish speaking world unlike in English where it is more marginal because in Spanish the n or even m can be skipped in often repeated places such mi for my or -n ending for plural 3p agreement. So much so that /ma.'ʝã.mi./ is the most realistic way of showing the pronunciation.

The article mixes up miami with miami dude county many things on this article are in the county not the city — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamingoflorida (talk • contribs) 03:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

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Due to potential bias and the current revert conflict, I would like to propose keeping the collage to a more up-to-date, high-quality collage— the one I implemented first which went un-edited in reverse for a whole month (almost), in addition to removing the cluster of multiple skylines and images beside them regarding the structure of the article. These changes were not contested and deemed in good faith until some Floridans themselves sought otherwise. I mentioned they are Floridan contributors because it seems they are just doing this out of their own local bias; also let me add the user who began this "edit war" has been warned by Wikipedia's staff for doing so prior (twice). --TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

There is no bias but your own. The collage that you made could use some better images. It is not superior to the current version. There is no time frame for when an edit should stick. There are many Wikipedia designated Good Articles that have multiple images in their cityscape sections. Atlanta, Manhattan, and San Diego just to name a few. Those are all model articles that various editors have agreed should represent Wikipedia's standards. I fail to see your issue with this. Maybe replace them with more up to date cityscape images? I would be more than happy to help search for newer images.--SeminoleNation (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I have no bias, considering I'm not from the area of the state in question, whose article this features. Instead of reverting anything the least you could have done is come onto my talk page and offer recommendation, rather than starting a blatant edit war (of which both may be guilty parties). If old images are superior to the current, then by your mind so be it. I know there is no time frame for an edit, but I mentioned how it went uncontested as in no other contributor sought to revert any changes (and trust me, I've had some edits reverted in a second at one time, but the reasons were valid and explained on my talk page and in the history of the article). Atlanta's multiple images pertain to districts, and they are finely structured, as are Manhattan's regarding its skyline; the same pertains to San Diego. Might I also add you rant about me using "my own content" when all I do is update collages, re-structure articles, fix numerous grammatical errors, and that's it. I mean no harm in fixing errors, moving things where they should or changing them to be up to date, and add new collages whereas others are archaic.--TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm awaiting a reply.--TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

TexasNationalist I shall make it a mission of mine to find better images of the Miami skyline. I know you have an issue with one image being from 2009 and the other from 2008 so I'll try and find newer images that can also show various districts. To me every skyline picture was distinguishable from each other. I can imagine that it might be confusing to a person that is not from Florida, like a Texas reader, because they don't know the city too well. I'll try my best.--SeminoleNation (talk) 18:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Awesome. And indeed, just let me know and I'll fix up the collage. As for the skyline picture, indeed they were distinguishable, however, isn't it quite strange that they are available on the basis of a year, and not a single one since they just show the same skyline minus recent developments? As for confusion, there is none, and I know the city good enough. Never generalize a Texan like that again. Nevertheless, thanks!--TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Found any yet? Because in all actuality it just seems like an excuse to keep me waiting now. Also, take a look at Minneapolis' montage. No different than the Miami one I created. TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

The original collage seems fine to me. --Ebyabe (talk) 06:36, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Then we shall keep the original collage, but as for everything else, please read below.--TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Continuing

Regarding this event still occurring, and having heated after being labeled as an idiot I have edited the article with the reasons being "ignore all rules" & "you can't follow all the rules, all the time". Therefore I have opted to "be bold", and not revert due to solely "no consensus".

Explaining the ignore all rules policy, the second linked article explains in full as such: "In building consensus, there are times when everyone will argue that such or such change breaks their preferred rule and thus simply can't be made. It's a good time to apply the WP:Ignore all rules policy and focus on how the proposed change makes the encyclopedia better regardless of what the rules say. If the change makes the article better in some way and worse in some other way, editors should comment on which one of these options is more important for themselves or others, not how the change fits this or that rule – because it's impossible to comply with all of them at once. In this situation, rules are still useful, as they contain ideas on how the change is likely to improve the article, or make it worse in particular ways. Just don't argue that a change should be made or prevented just because the rule says so; that's not the nature of rules. Policies and guidelines are collections of principles that many editors agree to be good ways to make the encyclopedia better; but they are of general nature, and must be evaluated for each particular situation to assess if they apply, and if they indeed make it better or not. Editors who insist that rules must be followed for their own sake, without explaining how doing it will improve the encyclopedia, are themselves breaking the rules, as Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. However, in all cases please remember that 'Ignore all rules' is not a call to disregard the opinion of other editors. Decisions on how to change an article must be made by a consensus of editors roughly agreeing on an acceptable solution."

This has caused me to believe I can make a bold edit for the sake of improving the encyclopedia, that Miami becomes a good article via nomination in the future and remains that way. I am sure this idea is a good one by common sense, and regardless of any future accusations, I am still allowed to practice this policy by what it means. Furthermore to defend this action I adhere to "BOLD, revert, discuss cycle"; this is a case where this may be used in as discussion has virtually died out and turned into personal attacks with the statement: "You texans truly are idiots. Hop off my page and leave me alone." Now, looking over the discussion, the administration may find things were still heated, but I sought to take the high ground and end it by stating "How about I just revert it again, and we go through the same process from step one?" using this process which is what I have planned and put forth via the article edit. If reverted, and discussion with ample progress is made, then indeed a general consensus would be formed between us two. If not, then the article's edit remains unchallenged. Our current discussion isn't producing results, so we have come to this point for the sake of structuring, removing repetitiveness, and improving article quality overall. Therefore I conclude it is not done in bad faith, out of personal bias, or in strict violation, when such actions are defended to serve as a defense against any potential bans that may be a result of this. I hope this isn't viewed at least as counter-productive anymore hopefully by the administration's perspective(s) or even as "gaming the system", and I hope it is seen as a overall improvement that will help guarantee featured article quality soon. Thank you for reading, and good way Wikipedia administration and SeminoleNation! - TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 05:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate TexasNationalist's commitment to improving the page. I don't want to argue anymore. We have a common goal. I promise that I will make this article my main priority in order to get it nominated as a "Good Article" and hopefully move it up to "Featured Article" status. I have to find time between work and Wikipedia but I will get the work started on this soon. I am looking at San Francisco, Seattle, and Manhattan for inspiration on what to work on in the Miami page. Both the San Francisco and Seattle pages are Featured Articles so that definitely makes them worthy enough for guidance. The Manhattan page is a Good Article. The reason I chose these cities is because they are all demographically and geographically similar. They are all located on either the Western or Eastern coast of the United States and are all surrounded by water. Any thoughts on this?--SeminoleNation (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree wholly. Can we also use Atlanta and Phoenix, Arizona as examples? - TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 18:42, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I think that they could have add some value to this page. I would just caution against looking at Atlanta and Phoenix for guidance over the previously mentioned pages because they don't share similar demographics, economies, or cultures really. I lived in Atlanta for three years and Miami and Atlanta couldn't be more different from each other. Atlanta is very much a traditional "deep south" city. The cultures are completely different. There is no beach culture in Atlanta nor is the city big on tourism on the same level as Miami. Very different cities. Again, I'm sure those pages are nice because they're Good Articles but I would just keep this in mind when editing. Thank you--SeminoleNation (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Completely understandable.--TheTexasNationalist99 (talk) 14:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The Brightline article describes it as an inter-city line. It has only one stop between Miami and West Palm Beach, fewer than Amtrak, let alone TriRail. I therefore contend that Brightline should not be listed as a commuter railroad. - Donald Albury 01:55, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

I have noticed that there is no income information under the section labeled "Education, households, and income". Preferably, there should be 2010 census data showing average income and related information. PerhapsXarb (talk) 02:09, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

The math does not seem correct, could another set of eye's look at it. onepoint (talk) 14:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

It seems to be the result of dividing the 2017 estimated population by the land area of the city. - Donald Albury 16:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

it's been yanked back to the 2010 pop WP:Math (~11,000) vs the 2018 estimate density that's higher. B137 (talk) 00:57, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

What is the source for this claim? I strongly disagree this should be here, especially without any reliable source to support it, given that:

1. Miami is in the United States, i.e. NOT in Latin America; 2. Even if it has a large population either born in Latin America or descended from people born there, it still doesn't make it part of Latin America; 3. Even if statements 1 and/or 2 above were true in any way, there are other cities, such as São Paulo and Mexico DF, which on objective grounds probably serve the role of "financial and business capital of Latin America" much better than Miami.

-Daniel Ávila

Exactly my sentiments. It's an absurd claim without any explanation or verifiable evidence. What does it even mean? --2A00:23C6:9408:6700:3945:9AAA:DAD3:B1E9 (talk) 01:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree, I removed it for now as I couldn't find the supporting source in the body. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 02:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

There are currently six skyline photos in the article, and some are primarily decorative or low-quality, per MOS:IMAGES. Yesterday I tried to remove this blurry, low-quality night shot, but it was reverted by User:SeminoleNation. I would suggest replacing the collage, which has two skyline photos, including a night shot, and removing a few other photos. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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I have no strong preference, but yes there are quite a few skyline shots. The last one listed here is the worst quality in my opinion and not particularly good. It's from 2010, so rather old, and, as noted, clearly blurry. The 4th one is also from 2009 and so also rather old. For a growing city like Miami, more recent and higher quality shots should get priority. I have no particular opinion on the collage though it also seems a bit dated. Scarlettail (talk) 17:22, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Scarlettail: The image in the infobox has two skyline photos, and one is a low-quality nightshot. That same image has a nightshot of the side of a building that looks low-quality. What do you think? Magnolia677 (talk) 17:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I do see what you mean. It's not a great quality photo. We could certainly use a new collage, but I don't have any replacements to suggest. Scarlettail (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Almost all of these photos are completely unrecognizable right now. I don't know why we're using photos that are so horribly out of date. The pictures need to be updated at least once every 6 months when it comes to the city itself. most of the photos were taken before Panorama was even built, let alone brickel flatiron or paramount. 2601:582:4700:73C:593E:8E95:3004:364 (talk) 02:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean, the main picture in the article isn't even of downtown, it's a picture of Edgewater looking toward downtown. you can at least get a good modern aerial photo from somewhere over South Beach or Fisher Island. 2601:582:4700:73C:593E:8E95:3004:364 (talk) 02:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

The section Geography subsection Geology has a last paragraph that is questionable for inclusion, there or at all. Many facts about "The City of Miami" are skewed because the formal City of Miami has a very small footprint, and almost all of that is densely populated urban core. The City of Miami has a seamless boundary with Miami-Dade County, which includes many other municipalities including the entire City of Miami, which developed in a low-rise pattern. Regardless, this population density is specifically not Geology. It is also largely statistics inline and so probably does not meet the guidelines for inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.83.35 (talk) 22:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The statement that Miami is the "Capital of Latin America" has recently been removed despite the information being referenced (New reference here). Reference to Capital of Affluent Latin America, here is to an academic page, and another from the University of Miami. For these reasons that nickname should stay. --VViking_TalkEdits 14:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Miami is famous for Cocaine and other drugs readily available.This should be mentioned. Cyclone26 (talk) 18:46, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

The Education, households, income, and poverty subsection of the Demographics section of the article only uses census data from 2010 even though data from the 2020 census is available. The subsection should be updated to have the newer data and to match the rest of the demographics section of the article.101235k (talk) 02:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Just leaving this here, maybe someone can add a mention of why Brickell is so important to Miami! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-24/mary-brickell-miami-florida-founder-albury-new-south-wales/101437364 jayoval (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Seems to be covered in History of Miami#18th to 19th centuries: Early non-Spanish settlement. Donald Albury 18:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)