Talk:Malmö school stabbing

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BlueMoonset talk 01:37, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator has left Wikipedia; length and other issues unaddressed; closing as unsuccessful

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Malmö Latin School, location of the Malmö school stabbing

• ... that the perpetrator behind the Malmö school stabbing (school pictured) was 18 years old when given a life sentence, making him the youngest person in modern Swedish history to be given such a sentence? Source: https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/08/student-jailed-murdering-two-teachers-at-school-in-malmo
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Created by Salutations25 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Malmö school stabbing; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

• (not a review) Possible rephrasing, though still wordy:

• ALT1 ... that at age 18, the perpetrator of a stabbling attack in Malmö was the youngest person in modern Swedish history to be given a life sentence?

Also noting that the fact isn't currently mentioned in the article. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, realized it is, my mistake. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a bit less wordy:

• ALT1a: ... that the 18-year-old behind the Malmö school stabbing was the youngest recipient of a life sentence in modern Swedish history?

IceWelder [✉] 12:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I am sorry to say that I am not satisfied with the size of this article. While the text altogether contains 1641 characters, it is only 1195 without the lead - which, of course, summarizes (i.e. repeats) the content of the rest of the article. There is even a section (arguably two) composed of a single sentence. The sources cited offer more than enough information to write a proper article. Furthermore, some of the information (e.g. the murderer's date of birth) is not found in the cited sources. Surtsicna (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Salutations25: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• The nominator appears to have left Wikipedia per WP:VANISH; as such, unless another editor decides to pick this up it may be time to consider the nomination as abandoned. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Backround section in this article was removed because it is “original research”. The backround section discusses the fact that school attacks have become increasingly common in Sweden and that a crime of a similar nature occured two months before this crime. I don’t understand how it is original research, as one of sources used for this section is not original research but an article relating to the increase of crimes of this nature in Sweden and I personally believe the idea that other attacks of a similiar nature shouldn’t be mentioned in this article has no back to it as many other high profile crimes including the Columbine High School massacre, Trollhattan school stabbing and the Christchurch mosque shootings all have similiar cases listed along with backround sections. Salutations25 (talk) 15:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hameltion: can you respond to the above? TSventon (talk) 16:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Thanks for the ping.) "Original research" doesn't mean the facts aren't true, just that it's (marginally) original to relate them to this case without having sources specifically about the case. The articles you linked seem to be properly using sources this way; for example, New Zealand has been considered a safe and tolerant place is cited to a journal and news article about the attack. Here, this BBC article already cited for facts about the event would be a good start for restoring some background info, as it says fatal violence amongst young people in Sweden has historically been incredibly rare ... recent increase in lethal shootings ..., etc. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 16:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought original research meant research made by the person reciting it, other articles relating to Swedish (or as a whole Scandinavian) school attacks have stated the increase of school attacks in the region. Would it not make sense for this article to do the same in order to inform the reader with some backround information? Salutations25 (talk) 18:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, by all means include background information—if that background information appears in reliable sources about this event. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I misunderstood, I must apologize. Salutations25 (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Salutations25 there is some guidance on putting sources together at WP:SYNTHESIS. Articles which appear on the main page are likely to get checked more thoroughly than those that don't. TSventon (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article as it stands is just at Start class, and far from meeting the Good Article criteria. I have removed the nomination on that basis. Perhaps, after significant expansion in a number of areas, it will be eligible, but not at the current time. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]