Talk:Magtymguly Pyragy/GA1

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 22:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• Infobox has 19 links. MOS:INFOBOX says, inter alia, the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article. Much of the material in the infobox links ought be in the article itself. See WP:INFOBOXREF.
• There are two archived discussions on this matter, references and External links in the Infobox. References should be in the body of the article.

The general rule is that all facts in the InfoBox should be repeated in the article body, and the reference/cite should appear at that body location, not in the InfoBox. In the rare situation where a fact only appears in the InfoBox (and it is "likely to be challenged" per WP:V) then a citation should be in the InfoBox. For example, Albert Einstein has two footnotes in the infoBox. But, in most well-written articles, all facts in the InfoBox will be elaborated upon in the body.

• A key issue here with this infobox is that the material is not repeated in the article. See WP:V  Done

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• Biography section Early life and education needs to give biographical information that is in the infobox.  Done
• References 11, 18 and 29, Gollanma have many links to trojan websites. Consider using an archived version.  Done
• There is an amount of minor overlinking in Early life and education.  Done
• The sense is that steppes, Persian and Arabic languages, madrassah and Bukhara do not need linking; these are common terms not essential for understanding the article.  Done
• Ditto linking to elegies, Russian Empire, Arabic script. If Magymguly lived from c1724-c1807, it is difficult to understand the need for a link to the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917.  Done
• Reference 34 appears to go to a home page and not any specific article.  Done
• References 31, 36, 55, 56, 57, 61, 68, 71 do not follow MOS for references.  Done

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• "Türkmeniň" (in three languages) is a good inclusion and adds to the veracity of this poet and his love for his motherland.
• Reference 49 is a good, explanatory link.
• This article claims that Magtymguly is a naqshbandi sufi. Notwithstanding destruction of records, there is nothing in the article to substantiate this, nor give overview of Magtymguly's religious or spiritual views.

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

• Is this really a good translation? Turkic language references farthings?

Muftis issue justice for a farthing.

1. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• Article created on 6 July 2004;
• 175 editors have made 325 edits to this page;
• The Guild of Copy Editors has been over the page and completed copyedits;
• 4697 pageviews in the last 90 days; average of 52 views daily;
• no evidence of edit-warring observed in history; page considered stable.

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• Почтовая марка СССР № 5446. 1983. 250-летие со дня рождения Махтумкули.jpg = not an object of copyright according to article 1259 of Book IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation No. 230-FZ of December 18, 2006. Copyright free usage accepted.
• USSR-1991-1ruble-CuNi-Magtymguly-b.jpg = not an object of copyright according to article 1259 of Book IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation No. 230-FZ of December 18, 2006.
• 1959 CPA 2364.jpg = not an object of copyright according to article 1259 of Book IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation No. 230-FZ of December 18, 2006.
• 10 manat. Türkmenistan, 2009 a.jpg = not an object of copyright according to the Civil Code of Turkmenistan of July 17, 1998; Article 1061.
• KiewMagtymgulyPyragyBüste.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.

1. Overall:

• Visioncurve A lot of work has gone into this article and much clean-up has taken place over the years. Turkmen, Turkmenistan, and Turkic languages all not being well known, many of the links are good and useful to read.
• We need to resolve the links and references in the Infobox and get them into the article body proper  Done, and sort the MOS style with the listed references  Done. This article needs some content about Magtymguly's religious views and sufi background.       --Whiteguru (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]