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Section sizes Section size for List of World War I memorials and cemeteries in Champagne-Ardenne (44 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 2,517 2,517 Battles of the Marne 26 9,744 Memorial to the First Battle of the Marne at Mondemont 5,222 5,620 Some images from Mondemont 398 398 Memorial to the Battles of the Marne at Dormans 1,073 1,073 Memorial to the Second Battle of the Marne at the Butte de Chalmont 3,025 3,025 Memorials to the Missing 324 324 Monuments in Reims and the surrounding area 452 7,011 The monument aux morts in Reims 1,782 1,782 The Monument aux infirmières de Reims 1,276 1,276 Monument to the 132nd and 332nd French Infantry Regiments plus the 46th Territorials 1,326 1,326 Monuments to the 24th, 28th, 133rd and 363rd French Infantry Regiments at Loivre 1,062 1,062 The German Cemetery at Loivre 485 485 The Monument to the 119th and 319th French Infantry Regiments and the 20th Territorials at Cauroy-lès-Hermonville 628 628 British cemetery at Hermonville 94 94 Miscellaneous 19 10,471 The monument to the 11th Company of the 72nd Infantry Regiment 666 666 Bridge to the 28th Infantry Division (US) 589 589 Italian Cemetery at Bligny and the Italian volunteers who fought in France 1914–1915 1,061 1,061 Memorial to the 1st Loyal North Lancs at Vendresse, Troyon 3,076 3,076 Cemeteries in Soupir 1,014 1,014 The Italian Cemetery at Soupir 2,876 2,876 The Monument to the United States First Division at Buzancy 1,170 1,170 The area to the east of Reims 1,437 23,787 The monument aux morts at Sillery 916 916 Military cemeteries at Aubérive 1,753 1,753 Monument to the 103rd French Infantry Regiment 1,431 1,431 Memorial remembering the "Eugène" trench and the Monument to the 8th Army Corps 1,339 1,339 The Fort de la Pompelle and the defence of Reims 1,123 1,123 Monument to the African Soldiers who died 1914–1918 2,243 2,243 The Blanc Mont American Memorial at Sommepy-Tahure 1,197 1,197 French Military Cemetery at Sommepy-Tahure 676 676 Monument to the 60th French Infantry Regiment at Ville-en-Tardenois 590 590 Monument to the 5th and 6th American Marines at Sommepy-Tahure 475 475 The German Military Cemetery at Souain-Perthes-les-Hurlus 442 442 The Ferme de Navarin Monument 1,658 1,658 Russian Chapel and Cemetery at Saint-Hilaire-le-Grand 2,048 2,048 The Cemetery at "Wacques Farm" and the 28th Brigade Memorial 1,556 1,556 The monument to the four corporals shot at Souain in 1915 2,463 2,463 The Memorial at Montagne de Bligny 424 424 German Cemetery at Saint-Étienne-à-Arnes 848 848 Gallery 1,168 1,168 See also 812 812 References 684 684 Total 55,444 55,444

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I've tried to address some of the issues of this article. Some of the things I've noticed:

1. Tone issues. I agree that we should remember and honour these sacrifices, but a Wikipedia article is not a memorial webpage. We should be reporting a balance of what is found in reliable sources. The memorials themselves, and memorial webpages, tend to be politicized and aren't necessarily the best sources. It is not an encyclopedic tone to address the reader with "we" or "you", to make POV statements like "thankfully" or "ironically" or "miraculously", and should even be careful with "heroic" that it is relevant and attributable.
2. Sources. These memorials, particularly the national ones which tend to have more notability, are often highly politicized. This is perfectly understandable for the purpose they serve. But editors should be cautious in what is reported. Rather than these primary sources, reliable secondary sources should be prefered.
3. Scope. Although I appreciate having a little context about what is being memorialized, this article (particularly as a list) should not diverge into attempting to tell the complete story of the war. There are already a wealth of articles about the various battles, actions and incidents which are well-sourced and neutral POV. It's a lot easier for writers, and readers, to link to these with maybe a sentence or two of summary.
4. Trivia. Some of the sections went into incredibly trivial detail: the number of machine guns a unit captured, which specific combination of engravings were on each side of a monument, or what year the Chemin des Dames was originally paved. If detail at that level is actually notable, it should be spun-off into an article on that specific subject.
5. Quotations. Quotations should not be overused. Brief quotations may be used to illustarte a point, establish context, or attribute data or a point of view. But it is prefered that content be written in the editor's own words. Using too many quotes is unencyclopedic. In particular, many of these memorial quotes are foreign language with no English translation, which makes their purpose questionable.
6. List Format. Ironically, a non-list article like War memorials (Aisne) is far more list-like than this article. Lists are meant give brief information on a large number of subjects within the list's topic, and this article had grown to twice the maximum recommended article length of 10,000 words. The readability problem is compounded by the dominance of quotes and pictures in the layout, which make it difficult to scan down the list.

I added a lot of links to other articles, and trimmed a lot of information which was unencylopedic or which was better stated elsewhere. I'll try to come back to do another pass with a better look at the quotations and pictures, and neutralize any remaining tone issues of the essay and NPOV maintenance tags. - Reidgreg (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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