Talk:List of Conservative members of the Scottish Parliament

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On 21 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from List of Conservative Members of the Scottish Parliament to List of Conservative members of the Scottish Parliament. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 21 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per MOS:JOBTITLES (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 10:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– Conforms to MOS:JOBTITLES and MOS:CAPS. "Members" should be considered a common noun, as it is in similar articles such as:

List of female members of the Scottish Parliament
List of former members of the United States House of Representatives
List of current members of the United States House of Representatives
List of members of the European Parliament (2019–2024)
List of members of the 16th Bundestag, among numerous others. Woko Sapien (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Rreagan007 (talk) 23:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom --GnocchiFan (talk) 00:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all "Members of the Scottish Parliament" is a proper noun. [1] WPscatter ^t/_c 01:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Member of the Scottish Parliament (MSP) is a proper noun, unlike "member of the United States House of Representatives", where "member" is a common noun in context but "House of Representatives" is capitalized as a proper noun in context. Station1 (talk) 06:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support: Here, "members" is plural. MOS:JOBTITLE says to capitalize only when the title "is not plural". The plural form should be lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES, the RM at Talk:List of presidents of the United States/Archive 13#Requested move 27 July 2019 and others such as Talk:List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II#Requested move 12 October 2017, List of presidents of Austria, List of mayors of Birmingham, List of lord mayors of London, List of mayors of Leeds, List of mayors of Cambridge, List of provosts of Aberdeen, List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II, List of chairmen of the House Republican Conference, List of governors of New York, List of lieutenant governors of Michigan, and List of chancellors of Germany. All of those were RMs, and most of them were multi-article RMs. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 10:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate Proposal

List of Conservative Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of Conservative MSPs
List of Scottish Green Party Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of Scottish Green Party MSPs
List of independent Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of independent MSPs
List of Labour Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of Labour MSPs
List of Liberal Democrat Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of Liberal Democrat MSPs
List of Scottish Socialist Party Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of Scottish Socialist Party MSPs
List of Scottish National Party Members of the Scottish Parliament → List of Scottish National Party MSPs

These titles are more WP:CONCISE, most already exist as redirects and avoid JOBTITLES and CAPS problems. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most readers probably would not understand what MSP means in those titles. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We have to think about all potential readers. A Scottish or British person would most likely know what an MSP is. The same cannot be said for someone from Korea or Egypt. Keivan.f^Talk 23:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The alternative could instead start with "List of Scottish", since it's the Scottish Conservatives, Scottish Labour, Scottish Liberal Democrats, etc. Only List of Scottish independent MSPs would be a little odd. (Note that for Westminter, the lists seem to use "United Kingdom MPs".) It could almost be "List of _____s in the Scottish Parliament" (Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens), except that doesn't work for SNP or Labour. SilverLocust 💬 21:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I don't much like MOS:JOBTITLE, but that's the style. (Note that capitalization does not actually make MSP(s) a proper noun, contra the opposes, just a common noun that is frequently capitalized even when it is not used at the end of someone's name.) SilverLocust 💬 22:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per MOS:JOBTITLES. This is the rule; those who don't like the outcome should look to change the rule. BD2412 T 23:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.