This article is within the scope of WikiProject Albums, an attempt at building a useful resource on recordings from a variety of genres. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.AlbumsWikipedia:WikiProject AlbumsTemplate:WikiProject AlbumsAlbum articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Electronic music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Electronic music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Electronic musicWikipedia:WikiProject Electronic musicTemplate:WikiProject Electronic musicelectronic music articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
On 2 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to IIII. The result of the discussion was not moved.
Requested move 2 January 2023
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) — HTGS (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@162 etc.: This is not "unambiguous". It is clearly started on Roman numerals that "there is a tradition favouring representation of "4" as "IIII" on Roman numeral clocks". So not everybody searching for IIII will mean Robin Schulz's album. Ss112 07:21, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is very unlikely that somebody searching for Roman numerals or Clock face or something similar would use "IIII" as a search term. The current redirect got less than 2 hits a day last year. I've created a dabpage for now, but even that seems like overkill. A hatnote is more than sufficient. 162 etc. (talk) 17:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose and not remotely a TR as Ss112 says. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Ss112. The target is currently a dab page with both a mention of the Roman numeral and a link to the album, meaning that search is one step away from the album already. That's hardly a burden to navigation, whereas there's a much stronger case that the requested change would be. QuietHere (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is the only article titled "IIII", but even if we consider the Roman numeral, the album is the overwhelming WP:primary topic with 96% of the pageviews in 2022. The large majority of readers expect an article about the album, not a two-entry dab page. A hatnote to Roman numeral could be added for the small minority. Station1 (talk) 06:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Searching "Roman numeral + IIII" in GBooks produces many instances of IV being written IIII. Search for German DJ and record producer Robin Schulz in GBooks produces nothing, his album which charted 9 in Germany in 2021 likewise. Ergo this obscure German album fails WP:PT on both criteria. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, de:IIII shows
das römische Zahlzeichen Vier in Additionsschreibweise (z. B. im Zimmermannshandwerk als Abbundzeichen), sonst IV
IIII – The Albums of Labour, Album (2004) von Veni Domine
IIII, Album (2007) von Farsot
IIII, Album (2015) von Stanfour
IIII (Album), Album (2021) von Robin Schulz
Siehe auch:
Legio IIII Flavia Felix
Legio IIII Italica
Legio IIII Macedonica
Legio IIII Martia
Legio IIII Parthica
Legio IIII Scythica
Legio IIII Sorana
....so real world history and reality must be give a space next to de:IIII (Album), das vierte Studioalbum des deutschen DJs und Musikproduzenten Robin Schulz. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no question that IV is occasionally written as IIII. The question is, Is IIII an encyclopedic topic, and if so, is there a primary topic? The objective answer is that there is no article specifically about the Roman numeral IIII on Wikipedia, and that approximately 25 times as many readers click on the article about the album than the redirect that pointed to the article about Roman numerals generally. To place a two-entry dab page in the way of the majority is a disservice to them with no compensating benefit to the minority. Station1 (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. My reply above was not a formal !vote, but this is. I do not think an album by Robin Schulz that charted across Europe matches centuries of the use of IIII as a Roman numeral/alternative to IV, nor do I think number of clicks because of a more recent album means it should be at the base title. Ss112 03:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose the Roman numeral is likely primary by long-term significance so a DAB is probably best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:50, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
