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Since it says Guyane officially, shouldn't that be the name of the article instead of French Guiana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.26.196.114 (talk) 07:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought that Greenland was considered part of America, and thus the largest area outside Europe that is member of the European Union (since it is part of Denmark and Denmark is participating in the European Union).

Except that Greenland is not part of the EU. See the article Greenland. Morwen 10:54, Jan 26, 2004 (UTC)

That's what I recall as well, but I cannot find it mentioned in the Greenland article. There it only says that Greenland has a large degree of autonomy from Denmark, but does not mention the EU at all. andy 10:57, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Quote from Enlargement_of_the_European_Union wiki article:

The Danish dependency Greenland was an integral part of Denmark when the country joined in 1973. In 1979 Greenland was granted home rule and following a local referendum it left the European Community, on February 1, 1985. The EC was the predecessor of the European Union and Greenland is unique as an example of a territory having left the organization. Greenland is unlikely to ever rejoin as it becomes increasingly independent, leading to closer integration with its geographical North American neighbours.

--83.134.91.216 15:28, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Precisely! Also worth noting is that in the 1973 referendum on joining the EEC, Greenlandic voters voted against joining, which was the reason why a new one was held after internal autonomy was achieved. //Big Adamsky 04:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

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The article should make mention of the native american people's liberation fight against the french colonizers. It is well-known in Europe that french foreign legion mercenaries are regularly terrorizing guiana indians, who protest against the missile range which pollutes and destroys their natural habitat. It is known there were some sabotage attempts against rocketry.

The article should also make it clear that Guiana is a colony, no matter what France declares it, because of the 1960 UN decision and the natives natural right for freedom and self-determination in their own ancient land. Thus Guyana is no different from occupied palestinian territories or Puert Rico.

• According to its institutions, Guiana is not more a French colony than would be Hawaii to the US. This is far to be the case of Puerto Rico, and even less of the occupied palestinian territories. 02:07, 10 january 2006 (CET).

Only the whites (people who came from France and EU) have institutions and rights, the native american guyanans are not represented at all, they have no citizenship, their villages were demolished to make more and more space for the missile range, they are regularly harassed by legionarries and suffer all the environmental destruction caused by rocketry. The european space programme is built upon the opression and suffering of an entire nation! Me, a Hungarian is totally ashamed over how our EU, the "humane" and "environmentally friendly" EU exports the mess of our space programme. This is just like USA in the 1950s which exported H-bomb testing and had the polinesian people suffer radiation. This shows the caucasian race still considers the colored aboriginals lesser than humans and there is no difference between yankee, britons and frenchies in race arrogance.

There should be a spaceport built on continental european soil and we the EU people should bear is internationally recognised, and should be enforced. But freeing Guiana from foreign settlers would mean expelling about 90% of the population. Anyway, there is no more, and rather less "fight for freedom" by Indians in Guiana than say in the US.

- It is the very first time I've heard of French Foreign Legion harrassing the Indians in Guiana, and I am quite surprised, since they are not stationned in the areas where most Indians live. Off course such information is bound to be much better spread in Hungary than in the racialist totalitarian state where I live, namely France.

I admit I cannot be perfectly objective, but I believe you are not perfectly informed.

Wow...ignorance really runs deep in these still waters. This guy is calling Guyana a colony ? It's obvious he knows nothing about modern-day Guyana, nor how the former colonies were run. I really wish people like this would all figure out how ignorant they are, and stop polluting wikipedia.

• this reminds me of what i've heard about the french in vietnam.

Gringo300 10:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Wow, never seen so many bullshits in such a little space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.2.30.83 (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow Not only France is stealing other countries as also the editors here feel in the right to delete educated opinions. I did thought that we lived in a speech freedom world. Now if you prefer to keep opinions that hardly say anything relevant just because is in favor of your beloved France, just let be it. We all know to whom Guyana truly belongs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.192 (talk) 13:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

i think its safe to say that if you took a poll of people in the U.S., a vast majority would be ecstatic if Puerto Rico became an independent nation...they are not occupied...nobody here wants them, they're just another drag on progress...what a farce to try to compare them to "French" Guiana or Palestine... 66.87.2.113 (talk) 02:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

CUZ IT FEELS LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is the name not spelled as French Guyana?

It can be spelled that way. (with the I or the Y) Swannie 19:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

But why the inconsistency with British Guyana? Especially puzzling since the French themselves appear to be using a "y". Appears to be more of an affectation. Ondundozonananandana (talk) 11:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Before indepedence it was British GUIANA. Only after indepedence did British GuIana become GuYana. So there is precident to the "I" as French Guiana isn't independent yet

99.53.171.95 (talk) 04:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)eric

Except that the French have never used "Guiana" for this territory. It's always been "Guyane". The fact that the British called their nearby colony "British Guiana" is immaterial. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 10:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Fellow Members clube we've got ours. I'd like to introduce you to our host. He got his. And i got mine. We've got DECLINATION. I don't understand the sentence under Politics:

Illegal gold mining generates pollution, especially by mercury, and is also a vector for alcoholism and sexually-transmitted diseases.

I wasn't aware that alcoholism was communicable. Isn't that the meaning of vector? --TreyHarris 21:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I removed the statement. It is ambiguous and inaccurate. Mwentwo1 15:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

If French Guiana is considered an integral departement of France and part of the EU, as this article indicates, does that mean that its land area and population are counted into the offical land area and population of France itself? rvinall 21:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Of course they are...--Stormy Ordos 12:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

"French" Guiana is NOT a part of france, you imperialist frauds...you give all westerners a bad name with your idiocy..66.87.2.113 (talk) 02:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't that history section need improvement? Teh Pampas Cat

The external link to Kwata.org is broken. The site has been down for some times now. I didn't remove it, but maybe it's should be considered after some time if the site isn't back ?

I updated the population est. with 2006 figures, added an internal link to Malia Metella page and added an external link to some high quality ressources (thesis, scientific papers, reports on topics such as ethnology, linguistic, fauna, flora, environmentals issues in French Guiana.) Sergi973 00:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that this article did not state the currency of French Guiana. What is it?

Not stated for the same reason that the articles on Normandy or Paris don't state the currency. It's part of France, hence uses the euro. Vicki Rosenzweig 02:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

i thought it was a little strange how it didn't really describe French Guiana. Why is that??

Interestingly if you pick up any Euro banknote and look at the small map of countries you'll notice that the outline of French Guiana is included along with other small Dutch and French islands scattered around the world. In contrast no British dependencies / colonies are included on banknotes as none of them (except for Gibraltar) are part of the European Union.--XANIA - ЗAНИA^{Wikipedia talk |} Wikibooks talk 23:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Which one is the official language of French Guiana? and the one that is spoken the most? --201.217.81.194 01:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

French constitution says that the only official language of the republic is french and Guiana is a full part of the republic. French is certainly the most spoken language, but some other languages are often used : Creole, Taki-Taki, Portuguese, Dutch and amerindian languages. --PoM 09:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Also some Hmong speakers. Vicki Rosenzweig 02:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This article contains a translation of French Guiana from fr.wikipedia.

Added language section as translated from corresponding article in French Wikipedia. Lapis (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on South America at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#South America whose scope would include French Guiana. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

After the XX Century decolonization movement, French Guiana remained the last big mainland european colony in the world. I think the article should address that a little more, being as it is an unique characteristic. --Damifb 21:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, French Guiana (la Guyane française) is a part of France and not a mere colony. --LordEnzo (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

...but it became a part of France through a process generally known as colonization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.225.13.222 (talk) 21:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of how French Guiana came to be a part of France, it no longer figures on the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories and as such cannot be said to be a colony. 66.130.156.84 (talk) 06:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The city of Berlin just became German by the German East Colonisation, but no one would call Berlin a colony because of that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.229.33 (talk) 18:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's only a part of France to get its name off the UN list. Let's face it if French Guiana wanted independence it'd get it. If Corsica or Brittny wanted independence France would never consent. If French Guiana wanted independence the French would not treat it the same as other areas.

99.53.171.95 (talk) 05:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)eric

But, by the same logic, France would more willingly separate from Brittany than from, say, Ile de France. Where do you draw the line? Just because it is easier to chop off someone's hand than their spleen, doesn't mean that the hand is, somehow, less part of the person than the spleen.Wee Jimmy (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Not true, France would no more allow Brittany, Corsica or any European part of France to separate than Paris. Look at Algeria, another part of "France." It was allowed independence. Bottom line if French Guiana demanded independence they'd get it. If Brittany, Paris, Corsica or any other part of France in Europe wanted independence, they would not. Thus it is NOT a true part of France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.180.247.192 (talk) 15:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I edited out a sentence which claimed that French Guyana is still a colony. Which is just isn't.

85.148.36.113 (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

French Guiana is an obvious colony, like Hong Kong, and rebranding (i.e. calling it by another name) doesn't change the situation.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It isn't a colony even through you want to see it! It's a REGION OF FRANCE--WWay (talk) 11:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Someone wrote:

Chickens are FUNNY

At the end of the history section. Consider locking this article, seems like we are having problems here.

Someone even wrote:

Fellow Members clube we've got ours. I'd like to introduce you to our host. He got his. And i got mine. We've got DECLINATION.

Within this discussion page under the Vector for alcoholism section, which described other vandalism

Some has also moved the geography section and vandalised the first section by simply putting:

not true

i second locking this article.--NoWay555 (talk) 03:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes significative parts of French Guiana. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

New Map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dutch_Empire_new.PNG http://www.colonialvoyage.com/ square=tradingpost (Red4tribe (talk) 16:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

Still OR, POV and unsourced (yours is not not a credible source). Please discuss stuff at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map. This was just a request for comment, not a discussion. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.colonialvoyage.com/
http://www.colonialvoyage.com/biblioDAfrica.html (credible source) (Red4tribe (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

I think you mean "homeland France". Metropolitan comes from polis, meaning city.--173.33.216.123 (talk) 13:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The term has some currency: Metropolitan France 70.88.213.74 (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see if the article could include anything about what French Guianans have ambitions for in terms of their vast, virtually empty interior. Do they have ambitions to open it up? Penetrate it with some roads and new settlements? Develop the resources, establish pockets of agriculture, exploit the resources? The people huddle along the coast, and with good reason - the coast is where the roads are, where the services and products are, where other people are. But what about making use of all that interior? Granted, probably half of it should be zoned as wilderness parkland that helps support the surrounding ecologies, but surely it could tolerate some development. GBC (talk) 06:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

In the languages section, it mentions "four runaway negro slave dialects". Is this vandalism?

First of all, slavery has long since been abolished, but use of the phrase implies that the Maroons are still runaway slaves. Maybe it'd be a better idea to state that they are descended from runaway slaves, rather than stating that they are runaway slaves.

Second of all, I don't know about French Guiana, but where I live (the United States), the term "negro" is no longer the preferred term, and indeed considered somewhat pejorative nowadays.

I'm not sure if that phrase is really racist vandalism, or if it's just the handiwork of an ignorant person, so I'm going to change it. Stonemason89 (talk) 12:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

This site:[Oil in French Guiana] talks about oil, in this French territory.Agre22 (talk) 12:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)agre22

Because it is a region/department, does this mean that French Guiana can't gain independence? Flosssock1 (talk) 09:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It would be better to say, "French Guiana was fully integrated into France in 1946." It is no longer, technically, a colony or a land of unrepresented peoples, having been fully annexed, so I think it would be inappropriate to speak of its possible independence. We would never entertain such a thought for Alaska or Hawaii, for example. --Golbez (talk) 11:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, rather sly in a way isn't it. Bet they wished that they'd of done that with the whole of their empire... Flosssock1 (talk) 11:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure; Algeria had an equal status, and look what happened there. --Golbez (talk) 12:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

True, in theory American states such as Hawaii could become independent, although very unlike in the near future. Flosssock1 (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Wrong, In the USA, short of a constitutional amendment or another civil war, once a state always a state — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.180.247.192 (talk) 15:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Algeria didn't really have equal status to the mainland. Only a minority of the population held French citizenship; the rest were second-class indigènes. In fact, France's reluctance to grant full citizenship rights to the native Algerians was surely a major factor in their drive for independence. French Guiana, in contrast, has the same rules regarding citizenship as the rest of France: all people born there are citizens, and immigrants can become naturalized. It is fully incorporated legally into France, in ways Algeria wasn't. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 19:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I also came here wondering why the article makes little mention of native rights, pushes for greater autonomy or independence. It seems very strange. I can see how most British colonies are generally content with their present status because of high numbers of British people (i.e. those born in mainland Britain) and close cultural links. The same with regards to the US's outer reaches. But French Guiana? I find it hard to believe that there are no significant autonomy movements given the population mix, the different culture and the growing economic prosperity in the rest of South America.--XANIA - ЗAНИA^{Wikipedia talk |} Wikibooks talk 22:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

The flag used in this article's infobox doesn't even appear in Flag of French Guiana (and there are 3 flags shown there). What gives? mgiganteus1 (talk) 13:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

This is an independantist flag which is used by a political party/trade union. It is by no means the official flag of either French Guyana. It has been unilaterally adopted as the departmental flag, and this has not even been recognised by the region.. Just the fact that the red in there is supposed to represent socialism shows this is a partisan flag and not a proper flag - at least at the moment. The flag of French Guiana as of every other DOM/TOM is the tricolore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.87.12 (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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This is a pan-african flag. 80.94.146.18 (talk) 14:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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I think that the title below the yellow and green flag in the History section should be changed to "Former departmental flag of French Guiana" or "Departmental flag of French Guiana between 2010 and 2015", as the General Council which adopted this flag in 2010 no longer exists and was replaced by another entity in 2016 which did not adopt this flag. I also think that the flag next to "French Guiana" and "French Guiana portal" at the bottom of the page should be France's flag, as it is its official flag. What do people think about these proposed changes? Westferrian (talk) 01:14, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Agree that the departmental flag needs some indication as to the years in which it was used. As for using the French flag for the portal, it might look odd having the same flag used for two different portals. How about doing what the portal itself does -- use the coat of arms. By the way, the same question will come up with the navbox for The Guianas. Sure, it's possible to replace the departmental flag icon with the French icon, but I question why that navbox needs any flag icons at all. NewYorkActuary (talk) 01:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, NewYorkActuary. I agree with your suggestion of using the coat of arms for the portals. I will try to make these changes then (I am still new to this), i.e. indicate the years below the yellow and green flag and replace the flags for the portals at the bottom of the page with the coat of arms. Westferrian (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

• It'd be helpful if someone with a better understanding of French could review the document here: http://www.uicn.fr/IMG/pdf/03_UICN_2003_Biodiv_OM_-_Guyane.pdf
• "The rainforest of Guiana has flourished despite having to contest with one of the poorest soils in the world: poor in nitrogen, in potassium and in organic matter." -- All rainforests grow in areas of poor soil, just as all coral reefs grow in waters that are low in nutrients. Both of these ecosystems are successful because they efficiently absorb and concentrate nutrients within the biomass of organisms. When rainforests are burned, the resulting ashes contain all of these nutrients. This is why slash and burn agriculture is so widely used.
• "The hypothesis was advanced that the very existence of the rainforest is due to these intelligent human interventions of the past. " -- This is an absurd, pseudoscientific fringe theory. Rainforests have existed for hundreds of millions of years, and humans have only used agriculture for a few thousand years. The suggestion that we humans are in any way responsible for the development of rainforests is yet another manifestation of our profound arrogance and anthropocentricism.

Fuzzform (talk) 09:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The ccTLD for French Guiana is .gf, so it needs to be added.

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Why on this talk page are some people saying it's "not a colony"?? What is its intended meaning?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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Does French Guiana has Indian reservations like this: Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples--Kaiyr (talk) 16:36, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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The flag of French Guiana is the French flag, as it is part of France and has no flag of its own. The flag was correct in the article until yesterday, when it was changed to a green and white unofficial flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.184.107.151 (talk) 14:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

I tried changing it but someone changed it back Flags200 (talk) 02:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Morning, possible to add the TLD .gf to the infobox?~Thx, 80.62.117.175 (talk) 10:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

The first issue with this statement is that Uruguay has a higher per capita GDP both PPP, and Nominal. The second issue with the statement is that French Guyanna is not a country, it's a region of France, but the statement is implicitly comparing it only to countries. In its comparison with other regions it falls far short of having the highest per capita GDP. Sao Paulo for instance has a per capita GDP that is 50% higher, and perhaps a more fitting comparison, the British Overseas Territory of the Falkland Islands has a per capita GDP that is 400% higher, so the statement fails in both of those regards as well. Notably the statement is not supported by any sources, which makes sense because it's a weird thing to say and because it is not true. Also as a South American, the statement comes off as being a bit... imperialistic, no? "The richest part of South America per capita is a current colony of France" what adds insult to injury is that that statement is a lie to boot. Regards 189.4.76.222 (talk) 10:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Uruguay had a nominal GDP of US$16,111 in 2019 according to the IMF (source is in the article), compared to US$17,099 for French Guiana (source also in the article). As for São Paulo State, it had a nominal GDP per capita of R$48,542 (US$13,285) in 2018 (last year available, as per [1]). It's doubtful that the GDP per capita of São Paulo State could have increased so much in one year so has to pass French Guiana's. Regarding the Falkland Islands, can you seriously compare a territory of only 3,000 souls with no proper economy of its own and completely dependent on support from the UK with a territory of nearly 300,000 people and a much more diversified economy? If you don't like the wording, reword or qualify it instead of deleting the information just because, as you confess it in the end, you don't like it because it sounds "imperialistic" (I wonder how the French Guianese would feel about that...). ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

This is the definition of Original Resarch, there are no sources listed that state that French Guiana has the highest GDP in South America, rather you are taking different sources and synthesizing a statement. WP:OR : "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.[a] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources." Specifically see WP:SYNTH "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is original research performed by an editor here." There is no source which states that French Guiana has the highest GDP per capita in South America, thus the statement can not remain. I welcome you to go out and find a source that says that however, I searched myself before deleting the problematic material but was unable to find one. 189.4.76.222 (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I found some Reliable Sources on GDP per capita in South America, unfortunately none of them actually list French Guiana. The WorldBank has has no entry for French Guiana under Latin America and Caribbean. The IMF has no data for French Guyana, it places Uruguay at the top for South American countries however. Statista also places Uruguay at the top in a nifty infographic. The CIA World Factbook has no entry for French Guiana in South America, it does however list Chile as having a per capita real GDP for 2019 of roughly $25k USD, which is intereting. So there's nothing. No, no, no. So I'm sorry but this statement is not only not supported by Reliable Sources, but actually in contradiction of reliable sources. 189.4.76.222 (talk) 20:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)