Talk:Fannie Salter/GA1

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 04:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Hi Lindsey40186! I saw this article at DYK and knew it would not qualify on length, so I'm glad to see you have nominated it for GAN. I know that this is a bit of throwing you in the deep end if it's your first time. This nomination will likely introduce you to a lot of policies that are new. Take your time.

I've held the GA for 7 days, as it will need changes. If you have further questions, ask me on my talk page, ping me, or find me in WP:DISCORD. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lindsey40186: Getting there on the copy changes. Now to focus on the source fixes (the source you added has more citoid junk, fyi) and image work. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Knocking those out is next on my list. I did do a quick once-over and came up with the following:

  [4] Washingtonian: Requires some math to check. The 1844 to 1947 figure in the article is 1844 to 1948 in the source, so this will need reconciliation. The 86 of 114 seems to be cited to the Maryland Ladies of Light source. I double-checked the article and found that it does mention Fannie retired in 1947, so I’m not sure why they put 1948. Nearest I can guess is that her retirement came at the end of ‘47 (October) so the paper may have put “between 1844 and 1948” to avoid people thinking January ’47…? That’s just my guess.

  References 1 and 8, 4 and 10, and 6 and 16 are each the same article. Use a reference name and choose one citation definition. I did run this through WPCleaner to check the sourcing and it wasn’t flagged. This is probably because I “Copy Link to Highlight” instead of just grabbing directly from the address bar—this makes a unique address for the same source. I can stop citing this way if it’s not necessary/preferred. I just figured that it would be easier for people clicking into the citation to be taken directly to the claim. Lindsey40186 (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Likely, @Lindsey40186, it's varying syntax that's preventing the duplicate refs from being picked up. My personal preference would be to not do that, though I could see some longer documents that might be useful on, simply because it generates extra cite templates. Also, the paragraph ending in one of the emergency lamps kept onsite needs a citation. I've gone ahead and cleaned up the citoid junk as well — seems like that one blog and the tool to extract citation info don't exactly play too nicely. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Lindsey40186, I see you've done alt text. I'd like to suggest making it more basic. The primary use of alt text is to describe the image, in basic terms, alongside the caption; if you are blind, this is the "stand-in" for the image and should describe key characteristics. If the caption cannot do this, you can put "Refer to caption" (the tending to turkeys one I think would be good for this). For instance, the first image currently has

  Photo of Turkey Point Light Station and keeper's homestead. A large black walnut tree is also pictured behind the station.

  I'd like to suggest

  A white lighthouse and attached two-story house on a hill. There is farmland around the house. A large black walnut tree is also pictured behind the station.

  Also, don't forget to do the infobox image! Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Almost there, @Lindsey40186! Just have to resolve the Find a Grave issue. That last sentence needs either a reliable source or removal. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Made some last reference tweaks to clean up a bit. Wanted to note to @Lindsey40186 in re: the Newspapers.com source that you should never link to raw unclipped images because then users without subscriptions can't access. (That was indeed the same obituary I'd clipped; the Wilmington papers are one of a number on the site where the mastheads don't quite line up with the metadata because of the merger of a morning and evening paper, and I tend to be very attentive to correcting masthead naming errors.) This is ready and can officially pass GA~! Thanks for bearing with me, and I hope you've learned a lot about best practices and useful tips to carry through to your other pages. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copy changes

Lead

• Add comma after United States. See MOS:GEOCOMMA — we include commas after formulations like Baltimore, Maryland.
• Remove the comma after "United States Coast Guard". The two parts are not each separate sentences with their own subject and verb.

Early life

• Remove comma after native.

• This is half of an appositive, which requires two commas to be set off, one on each end.
• An appositive should be a removable aside to a sentence. If we said she married her husband and fellow Mathews County native on May..., we'd be asking, "what's his name?". If we said she married Clarence Salter, a fellow Mathews County native, on May..., we could remove the part set off by commas without leaving the reader asking questions.

Career

• Remove hyphen in "Bay-area"
• Add an "and" before Turkey Point Light in the list
• Remove comma after 43
• Add "and" after 1873
• "Civil Services' decision" should be "Civil Service's decision"
• Remove apostrophe and capitalization of president in "US President's". Should be "US presidents"
• In the {{convert}} with 35 feet, set | to turn it from "35 ft" to "35-foot" instead of | to abbreviate the units.
• Don't capitalize candlepower
• Adjectives for units need hyphens: should be "100-watt", "13-mile" (this latter one use another {{convert}}
• The last paragraph here needs more inline citations. Every paragraph beyond the lead section should end with an inline citation—this is a requirement for DYK anyway.

Additional duties

• A farm was adjacent to the living quarters — change to Adjacent to the living quarters was a farm to flow better

Retirement & later years

• Change the section heading to use "and". See MOS:AMP.
• Remove the comma after "need for a keeper"
• "two grandchild" to "two grandchildren"

Source checks

• [1/8] Midland Journal: Checks out.
• [4] Washingtonian: Requires some math to check. The 1844 to 1947 figure in the article is 1844 to 1948 in the source, so this will need reconciliation. The 86 of 114 seems to be cited to the Maryland Ladies of Light source.
• [15] U.S. Lighthouse Society News: Does not even mention Fannie Salter. This needs fixing.
• [23] Haskin's Answers: Checks out.

Source quality

Notes on sourcing and references:

• References 1 and 8, 4 and 10, and 6 and 16 are each the same article. Use a reference name and choose one citation definition.
• References 6/16, 7, and 8 list extraneous/junk authors. My guess is this is from the citoid system. Remove them.
• References 23 and 31 are to Ancestry and FindAGrave. We consider these generally unreliable sources that should be removed (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources). The Ancestry ref is so shredded I couldn't figure out where it went without a lot of deduction and knowledge of what newspapers I can get from its sister site. I realized that "NEWS-CT-TH_BR_PO.6788_1966_11_04_0046" was referring to, get this, page 46 of The Bridgeport Post in Connecticut from November 4, 1966! I happen to have Newspapers.com through The Wikipedia Library (Newspapers.com is co-owned with Ancestry), pulled and clipped this article, and have added it in its stead, so it can be kept. I also swapped out one other cite for a clipped one.

(Consider using User:Headbomb/unreliable! It would have flagged the Ancestry and FindAGrave issues.)

I also suggest using IABot to run on the page to archive all the references with the Internet Archive.

Other items

• The Earwig tool, used to check for copyright violations, does find higher than normal overlap to some of the Coast Guard pages, but those are public domain works (like the images, as work by federal employees for their jobs). Most of the other matches are common formulations and the "easy chore" quote.
• The images are all appropriately freely licensed (PD-govt). They do need alt tags. See MOS:ALT for information on how to write alt text for photos to make them accessible to users using screen readers. In the infobox, the |alt= parameter (which I've put in and left blank) is used to do this.