Talk:Ernest Prestwich

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Harrogate War Memorial

• ... that Harrogate War Memorial (pictured), by Ernest Prestwich, names 1163 First World War casualties, of whom 300 have unknown graves, and the youngest was 15 years old? Source: Harrogate Civic Society: 1163 names, and 300 with unknown graves, and Stray Ferret: Youngest fatality was 15
  • Reviewed: Superphosphate, Senate Avenue YMCA, Charles Holland (singer), To See the Next Part of the Dream
  • Comment: Both articles created in userspace, then moved to mainspace on 7 April 2024.

Storye book (talk) 08:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Reviewing-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• The image seems to be PD and is used in each article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Both articles were moved from user space on April 7. (are new enough). Both are long enough.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Both are heavily cited with WP:ICs.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• QPQ is sufficient.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• 25.9 Ernest Prestwich copyvio reading is due to exact titles.
• 16.0 Harrogate War Memorial reading on is from poor paraphrasing.-Harrogate War Memorial.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 05:28, April 11, 2024 (UTC)

• Re Earwig's comparison of Harrogate War Memorial: it only picks up proper names and a quotation beginning "one of the first British servicewomen...", which is properly signified as a quotation, and attributed in the article. As far as I am aware, there is no poor paraphrasing or copyvio in that article. Storye book (talk) 09:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• What about phrases like "was unveiled on 1 September 1923"?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• As I understand it, isolated, short, common phrases are de minimis, and do not count as copyvio. No big-ass lawyer hoping to make his fortune off us would pick on that one. it would cost him money when it got laughed out of court. However, just to keep the peace I have rephrased it for you. Storye book (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Tone is neutral and encyclopedic in both articles.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• 641+238+314=1193 not 1163.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• 1st and 2nd WW.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• BBC number does not match https://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/ numbers, but it seems to be backed up by https://www.harrogatecivicsociety.org/ number.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Hook claims WWI count, but sources seem to back up WWI + WWII count.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Please present an ALT hook.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1: ... that Harrogate War Memorial (pictured), by Ernest Prestwich, names 1163 casualties of the First and Second World Wars, of whom 300 have unknown graves, and the youngest was 15 years old? (source as ALT0 above).
• I have removed the dodgy numbers from the article. The plaques were removed, rewritten and replaced in 1948, and who knows whether they have been corrected (or just misread) since then. The name-counts were probably all correct in their day. Harrogate Civic Society counted them last, and they had two people spending five years on the study of all the war dead mentioned, ending in 2023, so they have the best chance of being up to date and correct. Storye book (talk) 15:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• -We'll go with those numbers. Everything else is OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]