Talk:Drake (musician)/Archive 2

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The wikipedia article under the section "Early Life" writes that Drake was raised in "Toronto's wealthy Forest Hill neighborhood". While not inaccurate on its own, this may still lead to the misconception that Drake grew up "wealthy", when, in fact, Drake's upbringing could be more accurately described as "middle-class". This can be verified via this Fader article (http://www.thefader.com/2009/09/01/feature-drakes-inscrutable-rise-to-fame-and-fortune) which describes Drake's home as one-floor of a duplex, which by all measures (in Toronto) would not be considered "wealthy" (Here is the specific quote: "Our next stop is the house Drake grew up in, which turns out to be one floor of a modest duplex on a block of Forest Hills that feels suburban but hardly wealthy"). In addition, in a recent XXL article, Drake seemed angered and denies the truth in the impression that he grew up wealthy in his article in the December/January issue of XXL Magazine. I think this sentence will help provide clarity: "While Drake grew up in the primarily wealthy area of Forest Hill, his upbringing in the neighborhood has been described as more akin to middle-class, having been raised on one-floor of a duplex in a relatively wealthy area".

Read more: http://www.thefader.com/2009/09/01/feature-drakes-inscrutable-rise-to-fame-and-fortune/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.219.37.21 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Drake grew up in 3 floor house, including basement. He actually is wealthy, for his age, with degassi income estimated at more than $120k - $300k. He far from the projects, at the time he owned a brand new 2001 Acura TSX. He is a wealthy kid from Forrest Hill, but his "crew" different story. He actually left his old friends in Forrest Hill for government housing n****s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.182.80 (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I concur with the original suggestion. "Wealthy" neighbourhood or not, that particular type of language does not seem neutral to me per WP:NPOVD, especially given the particular industry within which Drake is active. Considering his uobringing has been the subject of several of attacks in rap beefs he's been involved with (which merit their own section of the page), while Drake personally has maintained that he did not have an affluent upbringing, I think this consitutes a "controversy" and Wiki policy should then apply to name the neighbourhood he grew up in sans any qualifier. 58.6.227.155 (talk) 11:25, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

It needs to be trimmed. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:11, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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This article says his genres are R&B and hip hop but he also has some pop in his music too so someone needs to add pop to his genres.

98.169.33.3 (talk) 03:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable source (preferably more than one) Pol430 talk to me 22:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

It's a common known fact! If you really need a source the wikipedia page on his album: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Care it lists under the genre section that it has pop in it making one of his genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.33.3 (talk) 00:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Born on september 21

In music biographies on Wikipedia (and pretty much any other entertainment biography here) having a separate section for personal life is frowned upon. It's better for the information to be incorporated into the main body of the article. Doing this also helps determine what's important to include and what's not. Just a suggestion. | ^help_dןǝɥ | 23:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

---Drake's mother is not a white Jew, she is a Jew, a Semitic Ashkenazi, not a white convert to Judaism. Please fix this. I can back up my statement with Encyclopedic references, as well as DNA tests, e1b1b1 m-35 and J1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeCRygas (talk • contribs) 03:36, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Ashkenazi Jews are white Jews. They are all from Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.210.239 (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

According to Billboard.com which is a very reliable source his birth name was not "Aubrey Drake Graham" however "Aubrey Clark Graham" as seen here. http://www.billboard.com/photogalleries/150-pop-stars-real-names-1007560952.story#/photogalleries/150-pop-stars-real-names-1007560952.story #103. Obviously Wikipedia needs to display his correct name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.142.48 (talk) 01:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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The article states, "Two of his uncles, Larry Graham and Teenie Hodges, are also musicians." Please change to "His uncle, Teenie Hodges, is also a musician." I have found no reliable sources confirming a family relationship with bassist Larry Graham. Larry Graham has stated in interview, when asked about the Wikipedia mention, that he has never met Drake and did not know that they were related. However, Larry also states, that he doesn't doubt the claim as his father had relations with women that he was unaware of. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igt9WucVHk Larry's "Uncle" status is speculative until a more reliable source presents itself.Busterbluthe (talk) 12:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. YouTube is not a reliable source. Floating Boat A boat that can float! 15:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Youtube is not the source, but the repository for the source. The source is KISS FM NY radio show, "Kissing After Dark with Lenny Green." Soul-Patrol.com also has a 2010 interview in which Larry states he does not know if they are related. INTERVIEW: Larry Graham by 'Dr. G' Darden and DJ Mike Hall. http://www.soul-patrol.com/funk/graham.htm

"Dr G": The best known up and coming rapper known as Drake says you are his uncle. Are you Drake's uncle?

Larry Graham: I have not met him yet to verify this. I have read it but I don't know. My daughter responded to his MySpace so we have reached out to him but they have not yet responded. We could be related but I don't know yet.

If both of these interviews are still considered unreliable, then please consider the following Wikipedia guideline, "Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material immediately if it is about a living person..." There are no facts currently and readily available to support a connection between Larry and Aubrey/Drake, aside from hearsay and promotional material. Larry Graham should not be listed as Drake's uncle until a reliable source confirms their family connection. Thank you. Buster Bluthe 06:06, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: The relevant sentence had three references. Two were dead links, which I removed. The third links to an article in Macleans, Canada's leading news magazine, which specifically notes the connection between Larry Graham and Drake. I have added three additional reliable sources with confirm the relationship. I cannot imagine why you could find no reliable sources; I've added three more, all easily found via a simple Google search. Rivertorch (talk) 08:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply and for seeking out other references. I do not believe that these sources provide reliable evidence of a family relationship. For genealogists this would be considered a fine lead, but not an actual source. I believe the sources connecting Larry Graham and Aubrey Graham are regurgitated hearsay, and family legend which may or may not be true. As noted above, the alleged Uncle himself has stated that he is unsure if they are related, as recently as 2011. It appears that most articles are relying on assumed facts, not explicit facts. If the Uncle cannot confirm a relationship, and has never met Aubrey, it seems fair that we cannot state that they are in fact related. I cannot understand how a casual mention in a Maclean article or NPR music review is more reliable than Larry Graham himself. Respectfully submitted, Buster Bluthe 09:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I did consider the "regurgitated hearsay" possibility. However, all four of the cited sources are established media with editorial oversight and a reputation for correcting known errors. It seems odd to me, if the familial relationship really is bogus, that no one in authority apparently has contacted any of them and asked for a correction. Another possibility to consider is that, for reasons we can't fathom, there's something bogus about the statement in the interview. One can speculate but it wouldn't be productive; suffice it to say that sometimes people say things in interviews that aren't quite true, and there are various good reasons for that. Still another possibility is that Graham is actually unaware of the relationship—strange, yes, but stranger things have happened (even in real life). Now, if the disputed content in this case were grossly negative or clearly damaging, it would merit further consideration per WP:BLP. If either Drake or Graham wished to, he could notify the Wikimedia Foundation's OTRS team and request that the content be removed. (No guarantees that would get the desired results, but it definitely would be looked into.) My suggestion is that we wait for a reliable secondary source to report that the relationship doesn't exist, and then we can report that in the article. Rivertorch (talk) 16:51, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. I am just trying to clear the backlog at the request board.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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"is a Bisexual Canadian musician" I don't think that should be in the intro, and it may even be considered discriminatory.

Looks like this has already been fixed. RudolfRed (talk) 03:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

they are out of chronological order Common should be first Pusha T then Chris Brown also Drake did the song with Rick Ross not Common and Common replied on the remix.....check it out your self....also labelmate Jae Millz replied to Pusha T as well....

also, who was the idiot who wrote this section and doesn't understand what "subliminal" means? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.209.33 (talk) 16:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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"A unreleased collaboration entitled." Should actually be corrected to 'An'

Done Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

This section is written like a teenager wrote it. The phrasing is terrible, and the word choices are poor. "The first artist to publicly 'diss' Drake on a song was Pusha T." This is informal vocabulary and not of the caliber of content expected in an encyclopedia. Further down we get this gem: "The new song stirred controversy by tacitly calling out Lil Wayne, Drake, and the whole Young Money/Cash Money crew." Again, more informal language.

This needs to be corrected for Wikipedia to maintain credibility, notability, and to allow for consistency in articles between subjects and sections. 24.212.238.47 (talk) 10:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

What is a high school cutup? I wasn't really expecting to have to look up a term found on a wikipage for a Canadian rapper. I really have no idea what this term means, and I'm even Canadian. I don't think it means drop-out. Does it mean a humourous type of person, as in, "That guy is a real cutup"? Is that even an expression? I've over-thought this. Sigh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.219.144 (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Several sections under the feuds uses the word "Subliminal", but it makes no sense in the context. The text seems written by someone who has misunderstood the meaning of that word, or has an extreme insight into the psychological state of the persons involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.173.11.43 (talk) 13:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The Feud Section is completely unnecessary, especially the Rihanna one it has no basis. They didn't even describe them correctly, the feuds deserve no more than a few sentences in his bio not a whole friggen section.

Agreed 24.212.238.47 (talk) 10:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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A separate article should be added about his group "OVO" because of members that are considered part of OVO have enough significance in his life and career, so they should be mentioned. Also Drake recently which is 2-3 weeks ago managed to ink a deal with Warner Bro's to have OVO become a real label which he owns. BIILZ HQ (talk) 08:17, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me that October's Very Own warrants its own article, as it is the name for a blog, a record label, and a line of clothing, and needs an explanation enough to belong in an encyclopedia. -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 01:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Under the 2012-present section, the article states "Drake also would release two more songs on April 15, 2013 titled "No New Friends", a song that will be featured on DJ Khaled's Suffering From Success album, and "Girls Love Beyonce", which contains a samples from Destiny's Child song "Say My Name.[91][92]"

This should read, instead: "Drake also would release two more songs on April 15, 2013 titled "No New Friends", a song that will be featured on DJ Khaled's Suffering From Success album, and "Girls Love Beyonce", which contains an interpolation from Destiny's Child song "Say My Name."

There is no sample contained on the track. An interpolation of the Destiny Child's songs chorus, however, is sung repeatedly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sithie (talk • contribs) 03:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Labels: OVO 108.216.136.118 (talk) 07:22, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Please be more specific in what you would like changed. Adabow (talk) 07:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

J'apprécie l'effort fait pour offrir des textes en français, mais ici, la traduction est terriblement mauvaise. Si la traduction est faite par un logicile, svp procurez vous un meilleur logiciel. Merci ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.37.52.26 (talk) 22:18, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

biography of drake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt2378 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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let me edit plz

Guyforeignbangyboy200 (talk) 08:26, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Arjayay (talk) 08:46, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

With this edit, I changed the musical artist infobox with the person infobox with an added musical artist module (which Template:Infobox musical artist/doc clearly says is also appropriate use of the former infobox). I was immediately reverted by STATicVapor, claiming that Drake is primarily known as a musical artist, and that I should have discussed on the talk page first (which I don't think is appropriate, as it discourages other editors from making bold edits, but here we are now per the BRD principle).

Regardless of what aspect of a person's career they are mainly notable, I think using the person infobox with a musical artist module is a great general rule for individual musicians, as it allows for far more potential parameters than the standard artist infobox, while also including every parameter from that infobox. In this instance, specifically, it allows us to list Drake's place of residence, which differs from his place of birth, and his two uncles who are individually notable. That may not be that much more than the musical infobox artist allows, but it adds some extra detail to the infobox, which is one of the first places (if not the first) someone is likely to look upon reading. His place of residence isn't even discussed in the article as of its current version. And, while STATicVapor notes that the subject is mainly notable for his musical career, it should be noted that he is also notable for his acting career - even his initial claim to fame was an eight-year, 100+ episode stint on a popular TV series. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

STATicVapor has been notified twice of this discussion, yet has not responded after nearly two weeks despite remaining active at various articles. As he was the only one who took issue to my edits, and no other editors have commented, I will assume the change is uncontroversial and reinstate the person infobox if no one raises any objections in the next few days. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Way to try to tell half the story Chase, how childish, I told you I was waiting for response from a third party, and I already addressed the reasoning for my revert on my talk page. The image can be changed, yet he is by far best known as a musical artist and the infobox should reflect that. There is no general rule, as it is up to the consensus on the article. It should be noted that Chase had added a severe BLP violation when he added Drake's supposed residence without any source at all. STATic message me! 16:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Please stop with your bad-faith accusations and insults and carry on this discussion in a mature manner. And a source was very clearly cited for his residence as you can see here so please double-check before baselessly accusing me of violating policy.

I also did not say there was a "general rule"; I merely stated why my preference exists, since the person infobox with artist module allows us to include everything in the artist infobox and then some, with some usable extra parameters in the person one (relatives and residence). –Chase (talk / contribs) 01:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Try to attack my response all you want, I was not the one trying to hide the facts of the matter, pretending that I completely ignored this discussion. I cannot state users that try to do that, you cannot assume good faith with behavior like that. Yes, you said it was a great general rule, which it is not. Many users also prefer not using person, when it is not necessary. STATic message me! 19:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

If you want to continue with the personal attacks and accusations, please do it elsewhere, not here. Regarding the "general rule" comment, that was a memory slip, but what I meant was I think (and I did say that in my original post) that it is a good practice to follow (not an actual Wiki rule or guideline) in most cases, especially where there are uses for the additional parameters found in Infobox person that are not in Infobox musical artist - which you still have not addressed. What are the benefits of maintaining the musical artist infobox when a person infobox allows us to include all of the musical artist's parameters and Drake's residence and notable relatives? –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:09, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

Using as examples the featured articles on Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, it seems quite evident that the templates do have a distinct use to distinguish between those artists who were solely known as musicians (e.g., Hendrix) and those who had other roles outside of music (Jackson and Presley, for example). Based on this, and considering that Drake does have a career outside of music (placing any evaluation of its quality on the side), it is reasonable to conclude that Chase is correct in using the "person infobox" instead of the standard musical artist infobox. Regards.-- MarshalN20 Talk 20:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, MarshalN20. Pinging STATicVapor in case he'd like to discuss this further. –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this infobox should be changed back to the musical-style infobox. Drake may have had roles in some films and TV shows, but that doesn't mean he needs a normal person infobox. He is not like Jay-Z, who is not only a successful musician but also an entrepreneur, and his net worth is provided with reliable sources. And he is not like Kanye, who not only is a rapper and producer but also a fashion designer and entrepreneur. But Drake doesn't have this. His relatives are not very significant to his career, and there are no reliable sources that give his estimated net worth. Drake is really just known for his music, and since that is the way with him, his infobox should stay as the musical-type. I agree with what User:STATicVapor said about this, and that those who are mainly known just for their music should keep only that type of infobox. -- User:Captainmad2 (User talk:Captainmad2 / Special:Contributions/Captainmad2)

Very true. Drake Bell has both a successful music career and acting, which is why he has infobox person. Taylor Swift, however, has a musical artist infobox because she doesn't have a major acting career. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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It should say that Drake "is a Canadian rapper, singer and songwriter" as he has also sung in many songs before such as "Forever", "Hold On We're Going a Home", "Find Your Love" and many others. 74.59.105.34 (talk) 22:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 01:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Drake even confirmed it himself. It's JUST a mixtape. Not his 4th album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.183.103 (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

But some reviews class it as an mixtape/studio album Glostix (talk) 12:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC)