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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Dolphin's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "DNA":

• From Whale: Gatesy, J. (1 May 1997). "More DNA support for a Cetacea/Hippopotamidae clade: the blood-clotting protein gene gamma-fibrinogen" (PDF). Molecular Biology and Evolution. 14 (5): 537–543. doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.molbev.a025790. PMID 9159931.
• From Fin: Gatesy, J. (1 May 1997). "More DNA support for a Cetacea/Hippopotamidae clade: the blood-clotting protein gene gamma-fibrinogen". Molecular Biology and Evolution. 14 (5): 537–543. doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.molbev.a025790. PMID 9159931.
• From Cetacea: Gatesy, J. (1 May 1997). "More DNA support for a Cetacea/Hippopotamidae clade: the blood-clotting protein gene gamma-fibrinogen" (PDF). Molecular Biology and Evolution. 14 (5): 537–543. doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.molbev.a025790. PMID 9159931.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:55, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, I proposed that the start-class article Dolphins in mythology should be merged into this article, as that article is in a bad shape as well as this article's mythology section. It would be beneficial if that information be in the existing mythology section here, as the Dolphins in mythology article is really messy, and if it were cleaned up, it would probably be a mere two to three paragraphs. It was originally created in 2006, and has seen very little improvement or activity since. No one is going to help this article substantially, and it's not a very worthy topic to be a completely separate article. Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 03:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I'll merge it on the 17th unless there are any unresolved discussions.Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 22:26, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I've merged them Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 01:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

The section "Consumption" is a copyright violation, as it is is copies word-for-word this page [1]. I've replaced it with text from the Marine mammals as food article. Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 02:27, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

It is most definitely NOT a copyright violation. I wrote it in May 2010. Check the retrieval date on references #169 & 170 (as currently numbered). The link you posted is a copy/paste. It even has the image caption, without the image. Please restore the deleted section. - Boneyard90 (talk) 13:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see you've already restored it. Thank you. - 13:12, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Since "Dolphin" isn't a taxon, why is there a list of dolphin species? Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 01:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

"Male dolphins typically mate with multiple females every year, but females only mate every two to three years." This statement needs to be either removed or explained. Clearly in the absence of a strong adult sex ratio bias towards females (I do not think it exists) this is impossible. Alternatively replace "mate with multiple females" by "seek mating with multiple females" - but this too requires a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L Yampolsky (talk • contribs) 23:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

That tends to confuse people. You see, dolphins are polygynous, much like elephants. Shall I make this more clear in the article? Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 01:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Now that I've got that out of the way, if "Dolphin" isn't a taxon, why is there a list of dolphin species? Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 01:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

That's not "out of the way", unless you mean not relevant to this section. The confusion still exists in the article. What form of polygyny do you mean? Generally that must imply that most males never mate if some mate multiple times a year, which is clearly not what the article is saying. Nerfer (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

To my knowledge as a speaker of American English, porpoise is not used exclusively for all dolphins and porpoises. As I am one speaker it is anecdotal to say that, I suppose, but I would need some linguistic study to make the claim that in American English the word porpoise has supplanted the word dolphin. It is true that dolphin is used to refer to so-called mahimahi. However, when, outside of comical set-ups, the distinction is not utterly clear, one would say "dolphin fish" to make it abundantly clear whether one is referring to the mammal or the fish. As a resident of Florida where dolphins are known and seen, it is not in my memory that porpoise is widely used in speech, if even to a certain extent, correctly or incorrectly.

Having lived in other parts of the country without an ocean for varying amounts of time, I cannot recall an absolute absence of the word dolphin in mammalian references - nor an overabundance of the term porpoise.

27.115.65.15 (talk) 13:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC) Tom in South Florida (Currently Shanghai)

I can say for without a doubt that porpoises are any and all cetaceans that fall under the family Phocoenidae. Mahi-mahi is a species of large tropical fish, and I (living in Seattle) have never heard a person say "dolphin-fish". Porpoises are different than dolphins (physiologically). To my knowledge, porpoises do not exist in the Gulf of Mexico (including Florida), so it would seem logical than you have never seen a wild porpoise. Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 14:42, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

If the word "dolphin" is often used as a synonym for "bottlenose dolphin", supposedly the most common and well-known species, then what is the "common dolphin" then ?

And, I've heard lots of people, including restaurants, refer to "dolphin fish", meaning the dorado fish or mahi-mahi.Lathamibird (talk) 11:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

"Dolphin fish" is, apparently, a nickname for the mahi-mahi, a species of large tropical fish and is not a dolphin. The bottlenose dolphins are any cetaceans under the genus Tursiops, and the common dolphins are any cetaceans under the genus Delphinus. Any more confusion? Dunkleosteus77 ^{(push to talk)} 02:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

The claim that "Four countries – Chile, Costa Rica, Hungary, and India – have declared dolphins to be "non-human persons" and have banned the capture and import of live dolphins for entertainment.[165][166]" is false. It is not supported by the cited sources and should be removed. They banned the importation of dolphins for entertainment purposes. They did not declare them to be persons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrgen (talk • contribs) 18:04, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Great article. Other than small minimal changes, this article has appropriate information relevant to the topic of Dolphins. The article has a neutral tone throughout and all the facts seem to come from reliable sources, such as government pages and scientific reports.Nikkiroe7879 (talk) 19:40, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

The article seems somewhat vague on this subject, unless I'm missing something. It states, '(Dolphins) are an informal grouping within the order Cetacea, excluding whales and porpoises, so to zoologists the grouping is paraphyletic', but it doesn't seem to state if or how dolphins themselves are mono- or paraphyletic. For them to be paraphyletic then there must be some branch of Cetacea not considered dolphins that are more closely related a lineage of dolphins than other dolphins are. If all species' of dolphin can be traced to a common ancestor that doesn't necessarily include other lineages of non-dolphin cetaceans, then wouldn't dolphins themselves be monophyletic? Trilobright (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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please change ((Mycenaean)) to ((Mycenaean Greece|Mycenaean))

Fixed. ~ GB fan 14:41, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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Can you make the un semi-protected? Archeoligist (talk) 00:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. Cannolis (talk) 01:05, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hello! I am concerned about one single section on the dolphin page. A small line of text is on this page under the heading "Jumping and playing" stating "Dolphins sometimes get high on toxic blowfish." This sentence is vague and unclear, and not confirmed, in fact it seems to be debated even by the scientists who observed the behavior. I can find only a few references to this behavior in literature, most dismissing it as a simple play behavior. The word "high" is also very odd and ambiguous, even if they were using the toxin as a drug, would this word be appropriate? All of this research and is only cursory, and should be taken with a grain of salt. It also seems out of place and unexplained. This may fit better into a species or behavior page, rather than the whole groups page. I suggest that this sentence be deleted; or rewritten to better encompass our current understanding of dolphin behavior, and Tetrodotoxin biochemistry. A few links are included in this request to provide some background on some of the information about this behavior. Forgive me if any of this was unclear or incorrectly formatted. This is my first time requesting an edit.

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Under "Reproduction and Sexuality", there is a line which states: "Male dolphins have been known to masturbate by wrapping a live eel around their penis.[75]". The sourced link points to a book on Google Books which is titled How Our Brains Make Junk Food, Exercise, Marijuana, Generosity, and Gambling Feel So Good. There is no way to verify factually that dolphins are in that book or that they actually "masturbate with live eels".

This sentence needs to be removed. Mr Grumpfish (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. One can't be sure, but book and author appear to be reliable. Ideally, the citation would include a page number and a brief quote from the source. Let's ping the editor who added it and see if they can provide any more information. @Benjaminikuta: would you like to comment on this? Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 18:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the mention. Policy states that sources be verifiable, but not necessarily easily verifiable. (That being said, I do think the ease with which information can be verified is a cause for concern.) I made this edit some time ago, and don't remember the specifics, but I might look into it later if I have time. Cheers. Benjamin (talk) 23:23, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I've found a Google Books reference to a similar title book by the very same author. That dolphin and eel line is mentioned again, but the author doesn't cite any sources. https://books.google.ca/books?id=42GY_PXexMMC&pg=PT102&lpg=PT102&dq=david+j+linden+dolphin+eel&source=bl&ots=ZohwXT77Gg&sig=XTmnnlRL4SEnHwErStUfaoYAuEk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7tKbd2bLVAhWl7IMKHWnXB8sQ6AEIODAD - Fshafique (talk) 04:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

The first three search pages of "dolphin eel sex" either had articles citing David Linden's book, or links to a Youtube video of Dolphin masturbates with beheaded fish carcass. The only other useful piece of info I found was in the book, Voices in the Ocean By Susan Casey, where she wrote "Marine Studios had one dolphin that continually tried to mount an eel". But no other sources were cited, and a search for "Marine Studios dolphin eel" didn't produce much. - Fshafique (talk) 05:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

You're completely right about verifiability, Benjamin. I just thought you might have a copy of the book handy. Thanks for responding. Fshafique, nice job on finding the other book. Do you suppose we should change the reference to the one that's viewable? If we accept that the author, David J. Linden, an established academic working in the field of neuroscience, didn't make it up or misinterpret something or whatever, then I think we're good to go. He didn't need to cite his sources. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 13:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

The chance that an academic makes something up, misrepresents something, or misrepresents something is nontrivial. Doesn't it say something if there are no better sources for such a widely studied topic? Benjamin (talk) 16:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Depends what you mean by topic. Dolphin behavior is much studied; dolphin masturbatory aids not so much so. In any event, you added it. If you're unsure it should be there and want to remove it, you probably should. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 16:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

There's also the issue of notability and due weight. If it's only been briefly mentioned in a reliable source, does it even deserve a mention? I'm an inclusionist, so I would say so, but what do you guys think? Benjamin (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I'd say it deserves a mention, and I'm growing more deletionist by the day. The only thing I'd say is that it doesn't really deserve its own paragraph and should be moved up a couple of lines. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 06:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

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The Clymene dolphin (Stenella clymene), in older texts known as the short-snouted spinner dolphin, is a dolphin endemic to the Atlantic Ocean. It is the only confirmed case of hybrid speciation in marine mammals, descending from the spinner dolphin and the striped dolphin.^[1] 2602:304:CDCD:1B80:AC10:A6:41B6:7A6C (talk) 21:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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http://www.businessinsider.com/dolphin-assisted-birth-is-dangerous-2013-5

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/frisky-dolphin-tries-to-get-busy-divers_n_1862148.html

Benjamin (talk) 14:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

The previous edit request was closed and denied, but I feel that it is worth revisiting and either removing entirely or editing heavily.

This concerns the claim that:

"Male dolphins have been known to masturbate by wrapping a live eel around their penis." Made by Linden, David J in his 2011 book "Pleasure: How Our Brains Make Junk Food, Exercise, Marijuana, Generosity, and Gambling Feel So Good".

Dr. Linden may be recognized in the field of neuroscience, but he is not an ethologist nor a zoologist, nor is his specialty anything to do with animals. The claim made in his book is unsourced, unverified, and not related in any of the other dolphin literature I have been able to find. I dug up a copy of his book and it is full of behavioral claims that have no references and is very sensationalist in its presentation. I would not count the book to be a reliable source for any article on animal behavior.

All of the references I have been able to fins to the eel masturbation behavior stem from this book primarily via Wikipedia.

Dolphins are known to masturbate with many things, but they simply don't have the capacity to wrap a live eel around their penis. Dolphins are not flexible enough to bed and use their snouts to manipulate the eel into position and the eel, being alive, is not going to stay in place and wait like the dead fish-head in the infamous video. Logistically the claim of masturbating with a live eel is implausible.

I do not think that Dr. Linden was intentionally misleading anyone. He may have misunderstood or misheard what someone told him and he included that in the book without properly confirming it.

Given that it is an unsourced and unverified claim this reference should be either removed or at least edited to include a caveat that the behavior reported has not been verified.

Sargias Corvath (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I also disagree with the conclusion in the previous edit request discussion that this unverified claim is worth including in the article. David Linden may be an extremely component neuroscientist, but his unsourced claim—alongside other statements that do have footnotes here—in this popsci book is just a claim without any sort of account of dolphins using a live animal to help them masturbate. Is it likely that he himself witnessed this? If one is found that is not connected to this book, I may agree the statement can be included but more generally as "live fish" or something… but, like Sargias Corvath, I didn't find anything with a general search & on Scholar related to dolphin masturbatory equipment. Just an article with that YouTube video mentioned last time. The Voices in the Ocean line also mentioned by Fshafique says "tried to mount", not that one did actually masturbate with a live eel, so hopefully that isn't Linden's source. It's also not in situ so that should warrant clarification, and the source has a very clear emotionally-driven bias.

This article has a very considerable readership and I'm not comfortable with this being included, especially using "have been known to". I believe it would be appropriate to state it's an unverified account or may not have actually occurred, but has a basis in the intriguing nature of male dolphin sexual behavior. Would rather this article not be the basis of most (if not all) related claims on the internet, though, without a good source. Can't help but wonder if the last user that requested this came here because of this Reddit thread, since they occurred on the same day. Pinging Rivertorch and Benjaminikuta. – Rhinopias (talk) 04:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Also, even if this book is acceptable as a reliable source for this information, I still think it's a WP:WEIGHT issue in its current form in the article. – Rhinopias (talk) 05:05, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I originally added the material without being familiar with the source. I think it's problematic how much credence Wikipedia lends "experts" who shouldn't really be considered all that authoritative, and I'm frankly disappointed that this content has remained so long, especially after being challenged. Benjamin (talk) 05:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I have no objection to its removal. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 17:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Benjaminikuta: it seemed to me there was a consensus for the content to remain a few months ago so I thought this would be more appropriate than boldly removing. I've removed the line now. – Rhinopias (talk) 23:22, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Does anybody know why there's a table for dolphin species directly after the bulleted list for dolphin species that has a very similar style (albeit far less detailed) to list of cetacean species?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  04:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

It seems this was added last month by Couiros22. I don't think there's a benefit to the tables with the list above showing more taxonomic information. It'd make more sense to appropriately link to List of cetacean species somewhere? – Rhinopias (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I can just add {{Main|List of cetacean species}} under the Taxonomy header   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  23:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Dolphins don't comprise the family "Delphinidae." Delphinidae comprises the dolphins. Dabblequeen (talk) 00:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: Wrong. "dolphins comprise the extant families Delphinidae (the oceanic dolphins), Platanistidae (the Indian river dolphins), Iniidae (the new world river dolphins), and Pontoporiidae (the brackish dolphins)". 'dolphin' also includes non delphinidae organisms Cannolis (talk) 09:48, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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What I think could improve this page would have to be adding more information on how the interact and play/ jump around. I feel as though its very brief when its such a vital part of a dolphins personality. Krissieb (talk) 21:13, 12 February 2018 (UTC)Krissieb

The sentence "Male dolphins engage in acts of aggression apparently for the same reasons as humans: disputes between companions and competition for females." specifically the "humans" part is rather poor and objective. When I first read the sentence I jokingingly thought to myself 'oh, dolphins get into drunken bar fights?'. The males of many species of animals act like that so specifying humans is very random and isn't even universal of all men (insert not all men joke here) I also worry about younger individuals seeing comparisons like this (meaning any other occurrences of this sorta thing on the site should be cleaned up) and the idea that its okay for men to act aggressively and fight each other over woman getting normalised for them. Mainstream media doesn't seem intent on denormalizing this so I feel at least wikipedia should. I think something like 'many other mammals' instead of humans would be better or just get rid of the "apparently for the same reasons as" part entirely. Comparisons to humans should be left to much more human specific attributes (or what we once thought was human specific) such as tool use, self-recognition, ect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.156.179 (talk) 04:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I’m surprised it took so long for that to be noticed and flagged, good job. It’s been removed   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  04:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

It is a shame that your page does not mention any of the Greco-Roman myths concerning dolphins. The page ^[1] has summaries of them. The site sells tee shirts as Wikipedia does, but appears to be a non-commercial site. I will add the link when I can. If someone involved in the page wishes to do it for me it is fine. Nicodemus (talk) 17:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Well there's already 3 paragraphs about Greek mythology in the In history and religion section   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  00:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't know why this page has initial feeding process following birth. Hammerheads are listed to require no after birth care. Porpoise due something like nursing. This page just details sexual behavior. I didn't see anything on the matter of directly after birth. I checked feeding, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:EFC0:105:199A:4B54:94D:5B71 (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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Do Dolphins eat Sea Snakes? 216.166.169.14 (talk) 05:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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This excerpt from the article makes no sense:

"Breathing involves expelling stale air from their blowhole, forming an upward, steamy spout, followed by inhaling fresh air into the lungs, however this only occurs in the polar regions of the oceans."

The way it is written, it sounds like dolphins only breathe through their blowholes in polar regions. But surely they breathe that way everywhere. I'm not a dolphin expert so don't know what the fix should be.

68.169.138.87 (talk) 15:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)68.169.138.87 (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Rosella

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A dolphin with its most sophisticated sonar known to science can find mines in any depth or light more reliable than mechanical equipment. https://www.navytimes.com/news/2018/07/27/navy-practices-with-key-anti-mine-asset-dolphins/ 765560000hgf (talk) 22:06, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

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The part about Tilikum under Controversy should be changed to "who lived at SeaWorld between 1992 through 2017" instead of the current "Tilikum, who has lived at SeaWorld since 1992."

Source detailing their death: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/01/tilikum-seaworld-orca-killer-whale-dies/

 Done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I cannot edit the main article, why ? Anyway the link 61 is dead, here is the correct one:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7475-dolphins-teach-their-children-to-use-sponges/

Raph81212|d —Preceding undated comment added 13:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

In this edit @FlightTime Phone: removed recently added information regarding how ancient cultures viewed dolphins. I don't know why but maybe FlightTime Phone didn't know that the specific section which was edited (Dolphin#In history and religion) is dedicated to how historical religions adopted ideas of dolphins into their mythology, and instead thought the edit was placed in an area based off studies of dolphins in biology and science. If this was the issue, no problem, the mistake can be fixed, but if something else is the issue we need to go through this a little bit longer. The term "myths" is used in this article, so why not "rumor" since they are nearly synonymous with each other? I suppose the first part of the edit wasn't extremely necessary since this article already links to Encantado (mythology) where more information about dolphins in South American folk beliefs can be found but why would the second part regarding dolphins brought up in Jewish oral traditions also be taken away? The author of the material I cited for that entry, Louis Ginzberg, appears to be somebody trusted when it comes to studies on Jewish folklore, not to mention his book which I cited has been proven notable enough to have its own Wikipedia article (see Legends of the Jews). Although I really do not care if the edit is brought back or not, just thought this was worth saying.

rumor is not the same as myth   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)