Talk:Curriculum for Wales (2022–present)

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 12:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the new school system in Wales which was first promised in 2015 won't be fully implemented until 2026? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33087859 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-41387459
  • ALT1: ... that the new curriculum in Wales doesn't tell schools what they have to teach? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61787090
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Article created 4th of august

Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - ALT0 fails. The article does not make clear that the changes were promised in 2015, although the cited source does. If the article is updated then this hook may become acceptable. Personally I feel ALT1 strays to far from the truth as the curriculum does still tell schools what has to be taught in some areas.

Overall:
I would like to propose ALT2: ... that the new curriculum in Wales lets school's schools set there their own curricula?
I believe this meets the aims of ALT1 but more closely matches what is covered in the article and citation. Request another reviewer checks this is acceptable. CSJJ104 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I'm happy to provide verification of the proposed hook. The assertion that "the new curriculum in Wales lets school's [sic] set there [sic] own curricula" is backed up by this BBC source: "schools are encouraged to develop their own curricula tailored for their pupils and communities". The two statements don't mean exactly the same thing, but I think this is passable. Approved.--Coin945 (talk) 19:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coin945, if you are formally approving the corrected ALT2 and the nomination, you need to include an appropriate icon with your post; as it says above the edit window, An article cannot be officially promoted until a reviewer has given approval ([ticks shown here]) to at least one of the article's hooks. (The bot needs to see an approval tick before processing the nom further; I haven't reproduced either one here because the bot would think they were an actual approval.) Here's ALT2 without all the strikeouts, for the benefit of future prep builders:

• ALT2: ... that the new curriculum in Wales lets schools set their own curricula?

Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Approved (take 2) --Coin945 (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think ALT2 quite passes muster – after all, if the Curriculum for Wales let every school set their own curricula without regarding the national standard, there wouldn't be much point in having a Curriculum at all. The full quote from the source is While the Curriculum for Wales sets a framework, schools are encouraged to develop their own curricula tailored for their pupils and communities. That sounds more like a system akin to federalism. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The hook is talking about multiple curricula, with the national one setting the framework that all others must adhere to, but I'm not seeing the reference to federalism, or even why that would be an issue? Curriculum can have different meanings, which both the hook and the source make use of, and I would say the sentence you quote from the source backs up the hook quite well. CSJJ104 (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I think this quote from the original report (which is linked in article) makes the point as well:

"What do we mean by the ‘curriculum’?

The curriculum has often taken the form of a framework of subjects to be taught over a defined period such as particular stages of primary or secondary education. That framework might be very general or more specific and might include, for example, time allocations for each subject together with descriptions of what content should be covered at different stages. Essentially, this approach to the curriculum involves defining the inputs that all children, or particular groups of children, should experience and is reflected in the approach adopted in many countries, including Wales, in the latter part of the last century. It is also generally based on a belief that subject knowledge has stood the test of time and remains the best path to a sound and relevant education.

An alternative approach, increasingly common internationally, focuses more directly on the expected outcomes of learning. Its proponents argue that learning is shaped by much more than individual subjects and syllabuses, and that fulfillment of the purposes of the curriculum requires approaches which are more directly relevant to emerging personal, social and economic needs. In this approach, the curriculum is often framed in terms of the key skills, capacities or competences that will be developed in children and young people." Llewee (talk) 09:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's a fair point – I suppose we can chalk up that difference to quirkiness of the hook. reaffirming GTG tick. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:34, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]