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The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 22:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
... that college debates in the United States were originally conducted entirely in Latin? Source: "The original debate technique was the syllogistic disputation. Syllogistic disputations were debates, conducted in Latin, that followed very strict rules regarding the use of syllogisms in the construction of arguments." Bartanen, Michael D.; Littlefield, Robert S. (2014). Forensics in America: A History. Lanham, Maryland: Rowman & Littlefield. ISBN 978-1-4422-2620-3. Page 28
ALT1: ... that competitive debaters are more likely to vote, volunteer, and receive promotions at work? Source: "Debaters were much more likely to vote, to participate in social advocacy, and to volunteer to serve in social programs" (p. 16) and "the debate cohort has further widened the gap between themselves and their non-debate peers in terms of positive outcomes and professional opportunities in terms of better pay increases, a greater ability to make voluntary job changes, higher promotion rates, and greater happiness and satisfaction with their career choices." http://www.nationalforensicjournal.org/uploads/9/1/9/3/91938460/national_forensic_journal_issue_35_fall_2017.pdf.
ALT2:... that competitive debaters in the United States are more likely to vote, volunteer, and receive promotions at work? Source: "Debaters were much more likely to vote, to participate in social advocacy, and to volunteer to serve in social programs" (p. 16) and "the debate cohort has further widened the gap between themselves and their non-debate peers in terms of positive outcomes and professional opportunities in terms of better pay increases, a greater ability to make voluntary job changes, higher promotion rates, and greater happiness and satisfaction with their career choices." http://www.nationalforensicjournal.org/uploads/9/1/9/3/91938460/national_forensic_journal_issue_35_fall_2017.pdf.
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Comment: No QPQ required as I have not nominated five articles
Moved to mainspace by ThadeusOfNazereth (talk). Self-nominated at 18:44, 9 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Overall: Looking good overall (even book pages are cited, commendable!), but a few minor things I found:
Intercollegiate leagues vary, but generally only offer a single style of debate. – this sentence and the following "Formats" list is currently not cited.
In the United States, much more so than in other countries with a history of competitive debating, students have a wide variety of possible formats to choose from – I have only skimmed the source cited, but thist statement does not seem to be supported by it. I think you are quite right about it, but without a source to back it up it would be something of WP:OR.
For the original hook to run, we would need [...] highly-structured conversations in Latin which were expected to follow the strict rules of logic. to have a citation directly after it (you can just duplicate the one after the next sentence, where I assume this info is contained). For ALT1, I suggest adding a clarification that this is referring to the United States only, as that is the topic of the article (we don't know if debaters from other countries are similarly affected). –LordPeterII (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much, @LordPeterII:! I am burnt out from debate at the moment (I coach middle/high schoolers and they can be exhausting) but I will get these comments implemented in the next couple of days. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 01:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, these were really easy changes to implement. I reworded the first sentence in the Variations section to just say In the United States there are a wide variety of debate formats and leagues to support them. It's 100% true that we have much greater variety than any other country (I've competed in three!) but I doubt there's a third-party source that makes that claim. I added citations for the formats and the claim about intercollegiate leagues, but if you'd rather those not be primary sources the sentence can probably just be removed. As far as the hooks, how do the updated options above look? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 01:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, those changes are sufficient. Both ALT0 and ALT2 are fine options. –LordPeterII (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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@SyntheticSystems: Thank you for this review! I will work on expanding the lead paragraph some more and let you know when that's done. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 17:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@SyntheticSystems: Could you take a look at the new lead? Intro paragraphs aren't my strong suit so please let me know if there's any specific changes you think I should make :). ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 18:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks good. SyntheticSystems (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I saw you passed the article here, could you also pass it following the instructions at WP:GAN/I#PASS? Or is there something else I need to do beforehand? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 17:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Looking good overall (even book pages are cited, commendable!), but a few minor things I found:
Thanks, those changes are sufficient. Both ALT0 and ALT2 are fine options. –LordPeterII (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)