Talk:Ali Hewson/Archives/2013

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I've hopefully confirmed notability through the multiple references added. I've also reworked the sections - adding several and removing trivia. I've also removed two categories, Irish feminists and Irish anglicans. I didn't find any references for that anywhere. I also moved the page per Wikipedia's common names policy. Chupper 16:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ali Hewson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lemurbaby (talk · contribs) 19:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

Prose:

• In the lead: "Hewson has been mentioned as a possible Labour Party candidate for President of Ireland but no such attempt has been made." This would be better if it were rephrased in the active voice.
  • I've changed this to "Tabloids have mentioned Hewson as a possible ..." Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• "She was especially set against the THORP component being opened." It would be good if you could rephrase this to give the reader a better sense of what this is without having to click the link.
  • I've expanded this out to Thermal Oxide Reprocessing Plant, clarified that it was under construction, and I've added a link in the sentence before for nuclear reprocessing. To try to explain here what nuclear reprocessing does seems out of scope. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• "She was aware from the outset of her activities that her own wealth would make her vulnerable to "Ladies who lunch" remarks" - readers may not know what's meant by this type of remark. This sounds like something she may have stated herself, in which case I'd recommend simply including it as a direct quote in order to avoid adding interpretation in order to explain what's meant here.
  • I've expanded this to explain what it means in this context, per the source. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• Explain "abseil"
  • In American English this is rappelling, but abseiling is the British English term, which is what this article uses overall. See for example these Google News Archive links, where the term is in common use in newspapers in Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, etc but not by any newspapers in the United States. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• Explain BNFL
  • I've expanded this out to British Nuclear Fuels Limited, which should be self-descriptive. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• "Her only publicly known musical performance is a 2012 duet with her husband whilst taking on Lady Gaga's "Telephone" " - This is unclear for me - please rephrase
  • Completely redone now, should be clearer. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Nice work as always. I'm so glad for the work you and the other U2 Wikiproject members continue to put into these awesome articles. I just learned a lot, and that after being an enormous U2 fan for nearly 20 years. Lemurbaby (talk) 19:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the review and the kind words. I didn't know most of this either until I started reading old newspaper articles. In addition to these responses, I also tweaked a few of your direct copyedits. I removed both my "less affluent" and your "working class" characterisation of Raheny, because looking over other sources I see conflicting portrayals of the town's socio-economic status. The article already describes her father as an electrician and her mother as a housewife who hoped her daughter would become a secretary, and I think that gets across the family's status. And I qualified the initial 'songs inspired by' language, because Stokes (the main source) usually doesn't claim certainty, including for "Another Time, Another Place". Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks great! Definitely GA material. Congratulations on a well-researched article that no doubt required considerable scouring of sources. Lemurbaby (talk) 16:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again! Wasted Time R (talk) 00:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I think a picture of Ali hewson will help. Anyone can load some? My internet permissions don't allow me to. Thanks//Only Love Can Heal Such A Scar// (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia has an extremely restrictive image rights policy. You cannot use photos you see in newspapers or magazines or find on the web. For the most part, only photos taken by Wiki contributors themselves can be used. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Recently Ali has an accident with a squad. I was wondering in which part of the article can I post thatMissBono (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a guideline WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, which basically says that not everything a newspaper reports about a subject needs to go into the Wikipedia article about that subject. In this case, there were news reports like this one last month that described the injury, but just a couple of weeks later, there is this news report that says she's had a speedy recovery and is out attending fashion shows. So it does not look like this injury has had any lasting effect upon her life. Given that, it does not need to be in the article. In contrast, Bono's back injury in 2010 caused a major leg of a U2 tour to be postponed for a year, so that mention of that injury does belong in his article. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

where did someone found the fact that Ali is 1.57 m??? The only place i could find that informartion was at IMDb and all of you have said before that IT IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE...Miss Bono (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You added that as part of this edit a few months ago. Most of the edit was unnecessary and was backed out, but the infobox height remained. You are right, IMDB is not to be used for things like this, so go ahead and remove it. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Wasted Time R, Ther I was wondering if this article is ready for FA??? Miss Bono  (zootalk) 17:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I know nothing about featured article status.Theroadislong (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The criteria for featured article status are VERY VERY demanding take a look Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Theroadislong (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Cullen and myself are working on getting a picture. Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

• "Ali Hewson, wife of Bono, is a granddaughter" (of Hector Grey) http://irishrollcall.com/2011/03/hector-grey/

• "A loose relation of the colourful Dublin discount retailer, Hector Grey" http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/alis-still-the-sweetest-thing-30-years-on-26897159.html

• "Her grandfather is Hector Grey, founder of the legendary Dublin department stores." http://www.rockworldmagazine.com/alison-hewson-the-woman-who-made-bono/

• "From the horses mouth.... Ian Scott.... Hector's Grandson; There's no truth in the rumour that Ali Hewson, Bono's wife is Hector Grey's grand daughter." http://www.dublinforum.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-13899.html

• "Some articles have stated that Hector was the Grandfather of Ali Hewson (nee Stewart) who married her childhood sweetheart Paul Hewson, who is better known as Bono - lead singer of Dublins' U2.) but others dispute this. " http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Ireland/County_Dublin/Dublin-296021/Off_the_Beaten_Path-Dublin-MISC-BR-1.html

I'm inclined to accept Ali's fathers assurance that Hector Grey is NOT her grandfather and more recent mentions above would seem to confirm this. Theroadislong (talk) 13:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I cannot read those article, Theroadislong. What do they say? Do they confirm that Mr. Grey is NOT her grandfather or the opposite? Is there any chance that the user is only using Ali's father's name but he is not that person? So confusing O_o Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:24, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I have written what they say before the links? Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

two say he is, two say he is not and the other says he is loose relation. Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Theroadislong Should we contact Ali and ask her (I think we shouldn't because it would be from primary sources)? But I think it's better to remove the info or at least hide it and specify that it shouldn't be added until we are sure that she is or NOT his grand daughter. And then... If Ian is his grandson and he says that Ali is not her grand daughter so Ali is not Ian's sister. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:40, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Unless Ali herself confirms this (somehow) I would leave the Hector Grey relation out the article. Ultra Violet Light (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

It was already removed by User:Patrick Terence Stewart So we need to do nothing. Theroadislong (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

How can we make sure of the actual information? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

When in doubt, leave it out. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Well, we're not really in doubt; we've got a ton of sources saying it's the case. Do we have any evidence that the user in question is the relative? Or is there evidence here I'm missing? Ironholds (talk) 16:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

As I asked before... is there any chance that the user is only using Ali's father's name but he is not that person? I mean, You can register yourself as Norman Hewson and start to edit his brother's article but you are not him. It is possible. So, what should we do? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to reinclude the content, if all of the third-party sources support it, and drop the account a note asking him to verify his identity through OTRS. Ironholds (talk) 17:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

According Theroadislong there are two references which say that Ali isn't Grey's grand daughter. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah - one a forum post, and one a tertiary source ("according to unmentioned sources..."). I'm slightly uncomfortable making statements either way based on sources of that level of reliability. Ironholds (talk) 08:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

@Ironholds: Oh, I see. Sorry the misunderstanding. I cannot follow those links because I don't have full internet access. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)