Talk:2024 in the United Kingdom

1 April / TV Licence

Is the increase in the TV licence really an event? Kalamikid (talk) 11:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The longest strike in NHS history...

... is notable for the country as a whole, not just England. If we're going to exclude things purely on the basis that they happen in a particular part of the UK, then a huge number of entries will need removing from all of the year pages. That's clearly absurd, and so is this removal:

  • Thousands of junior doctors in England begin a six-day walkout, the longest strike in NHS history, in a dispute over pay.[1]

So, I support the inclusion of this entry. Wjfox2005 (talk) 14:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The longest-ever NHS strike: What you need to know as junior doctors walk out". BBC News. BBC. 3 January 2024. Retrieved 3 January 2024.
In what way do you think it is relevant to the UK outside of England? Should we also include stuff only relevant to Northern Ireland or to Scotland or to Wales? Or should we, perhaps, merge all the five "2024 in ..." articles related to the UK into just one article to avoid the huge overlap and repetition of content? -- DeFacto (talk). 16:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also support its inclusion, since it is significant for the UK as a whole. The England pages are there for England specific topics, but in the case of this particular event I think it has nationwide relevance. This is Paul (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But what is it that you think makes this particular piece of England-only news relevant to the whole of the UK? Why have it in both the England and UK article? -- DeFacto (talk). 18:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It sets a UK record for a doctors' strike, and made the national news this week. On a slightly different topic, I personally would have taken out the Liverpool shooting (England specific) and left in the Welsh Labour leadership election, since that determines the leader of a devolved government. I've added the shooting to 2024 in England so if you want to remove it from here then go ahead. I haven't re-added the Wales story though. No doubt it will become relevant when the new first minister is elected. This is Paul (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC say "... in what could be the longest stoppage in the history of the NHS" (singular, so not of the NHSes), so are we sure it would be a UK record across the four different NHS organisations and not just an England record? If you are convinced that it is, then I agree that you have a good reason to add it there, and wouldn't question it again.
Do you think all this juggling, distributing, and even duplicating these news events between the five different "2024 in xxx" articles is better than having just one article (2024 in the United Kingdom) to cover them all? -- DeFacto (talk). 23:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a difficult one, I suppose the problem with having one article for all entries would be its length by the end of the year. This is Paul (talk) 08:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incumbents

We had this discussion about 12 months ago, concerning the 2023 in the United Kingdom page. Again, I see no reason to add a 'starting date' for the 58th Parliament, as it didn't begin this year. Note we don't use (started 8 September 2022) next to Charles III's name 'or' (started 25 October 2022) next to Rishi Sunak's name. GoodDay (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contacting @DeFacto:, @This is Paul: & @Wjfox2005:, who took part in last year's discussion on this topic. GoodDay (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note' - I've contacted WP:YEARS for more input, as this concerns all Year in country pages. GoodDay (talk) 17:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Year in country pages

Moved from User Talk:DeFacto

Howdy. Note that we don't use 'start dates' or 'end dates' in Year in country pages' Incumbent section, where there's no change over. We only use start/end dates, in a Year when there's a change over. That's why in 2024 in the United Kingdom, we don't have "(started September 8, 2022)" next to Charles III's name & "(started October 25, 2022)" next to Rishi Sunak's name. PS - Please look over all Year in country pages Incumbent sections & you'll see that start/end dates are only used in the Year in country page, where a change (example 2019 in the United Kingdom & 2022 in the United Kingdom) occurs GoodDay (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, "Parliament – 58th" uses an uncommon, and unknown to most, ordinal number. What does "58th" mean to anyone? Where in the reliable sources is the government that was elected in 2019 known as the 58th? And to add insult we have a WP:EGG link to what the readers should see in the first place - "List of MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election". -- DeFacto (talk). 17:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Press on the 58th & it'll show you what it means. Anyways, let's allow others to give their input, concerning all the "Year in the United Kingdom" pages. After all, we don't want go through this again in January 2025, at the (yet to be created) 2025 in the United Kingdom page. GoodDay (talk) 18:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, It wasn't me that put the dates there, my preferred text was changed to that in this edit by Wjfox2005.
And what's the point hiding the meaning behind an unknown ordinal? -- DeFacto (talk). 18:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, an addition that wasn't required. We only use start and/or end dates in the Year the event actually occurred. GoodDay (talk) 18:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The start date is the common name - it's the government elected in 2019. What's the point hiding that behind an unknown ordinal? -- DeFacto (talk). 18:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will you please look over all the other "Year in the United Kingdom" pages. PS - Maybe it's time for an RFC. GoodDay (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I have. They all look as meaningless as each other. It might be normal for other places to name their governments after numbers, but that is not common practice in the United Kingdom. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We also have the "Year in England pre-1707" pages to think about. I'll be opening an RFC shortly on the matter. I'll include the option of excluding the parliament from all the pages-in-question's Incumbent sections. GoodDay (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS - Seems to me we had this same discussion about 12 months ago, concerning the 2023 in the United Kingdom page. Would recommend you open an RFC at the appropriate place, if you're going to insist on breaking consistency, in these pages. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that article has exactly the same problem - a meaningless number. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's how it's done for all of them (Year in United Kingdom pages), where there's no change in monarch, prime minister or parliament. GoodDay (talk) 18:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO, they should all be changed to something meaningful then. We don't say the Nth monarch or Nth prime minister, we give their common names. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, but I'm willing to open an RFC, if that's the only way to settle this matter. GoodDay (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An RFC for just this article or for all UK-related articles? -- DeFacto (talk). 19:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All UK-related articles. GoodDay (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At WT:UK then? -- DeFacto (talk). 19:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At WP:YEARS, with a link to WT:UK. PS - I noticed that parliaments/national assemblies aren't shown in the 'incumbent' sections of the "Year in Northern Ireland", "Year in Scotland" & "Year in Wales" pages. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what about all the other UK articles that aren't such 'year' articles, but which may refer to different governments? This needs to be consistent across all UK articles surely? And the question is whether to use the ordinal number, or the common name of the government. -- DeFacto (talk). 19:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What other articles? There's only the "Year in England", "Year in Great Britain", "Year in the United Kingdom" pages, that have their legislatures listed in the 'Incumbents' section. GoodDay (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All other UK-related articles that refer to governments in general. Election articles, MP and former MP articles, legislation articles, etc. If we are looking for consistency in how we refer to the different governments, then we need to include them all surely? -- DeFacto (talk). 20:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're free to include your concerns at the RFC-in-question. Though remember - too many options, tend to end in no consensus for any changes. I'm only concerned with the "Year" pages. You're free to open an RFC concerning non-Year pages. GoodDay (talk) 20:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are only two options as I see it when referring to a specific UK government - to use the unfamiliar ordinal number format or to use the common starting-date format. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see a third option - Delete the English/British Parliament from the "Incumbents" section. We could replace them with the Speaker of the House of Lords & Speaker of the House of Commons. Maybe, also add in the President of the UK Supreme Court. GoodDay (talk) 20:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like a different RfC to me: should we include the parliament in the incumbents section? -- DeFacto (talk). 20:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look across the board at the other "Year in country" pages? You'll find many of them 'exclude' the legislature. Even within the UK, the legislature is excluded from the Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland Year pages. GoodDay (talk) 20:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW - What's your proposal? I'm in the process of putting together the RFC & need to know exactly what you're suggesting. For example - How do you think the parliament & members should be shown on 'this' page. GoodDay (talk) 20:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd replace Parliament – 58th with Parliament – elected 2019. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RFC begun at WP:YEARS. -- GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hate Crime Act

Why no mention of the Scottish Hate Crime Act coming to force? The title is 2024 in the United Kingdom not 2024 in England. 2A02:C7C:CBBF:C700:4BC:97A0:B1E9:8B0C (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly because this article is generally for UK-wide events, and that Act only applies in Scotland. See 2024 in Scotland for events that are specific to Scotland and see if it's mentioned there. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Culture

Currently a limited selection. + Tennis? Golf? the Proms season ?? + ?? . 94.30.84.71 (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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