File talk:European Union Ukraine Locator.svg
Inaccurate
This map inaccurately depicts Crimea as being a part of Ukraine, which it is not. A more accurate image should replace this one. 173.212.80.159 (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. Crimea should be labeled as a disputed territory such as it is on maps of Russia. 199.126.138.93 (talk) 03:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Absolutely disagree. Crimea is part of Ukraine. Ukraine agrees, and the international consensus agrees. Only Russia believes otherwise. XeroxKleenex (talk) 16:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- Ummm, how about asking the people of Crimea what they think. Oh wait, they were asked what they think, and 96.77 percent of them voted in favor of integration into the Russian Federation. What more needs to be said? Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine is no more, my friend, no matter what Obama or any other pro-western source would have you believe. Get over it. The people have spoken. Or maybe you don't believe in the democratic process? And by the way, Ukraine's current government seized control in a violent coup and are thus completely illegitimate. What they think on the subject is completely irrelevant. 173.212.80.159 (talk) 15:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- The standard is international recognition- and the world has not recognized Crimea as part of Russia. And, by the way, "the democratic process" involves the consent of Ukraine, and does not involve a vote held under Russian military occupation. Ribbet32 (talk) 23:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- @Ribbet32: That is absolutely false in every respect. The Crimean referendum was irreproachable from a legal point of view. It was conducted in a fully constitutional manner, with the parliament taking all the required steps to convene the poll. More than 130 international observers from some 23 countries, including the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium and Austria, have confirmed that the voting procedure was in compliance with recognized standards. You are woefully misinformed; no "military occupation" exists in Crimea. And to be clear, neither Crimea nor Russia require the consent of an illegitimate fascist/neo-Nazi coup government; to say that anything to the contrary is democratic is simply mindboggling. Crimea is part of Russia and that's as clear as I can make it. 173.212.80.159 (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- NO legitimate election gets 96.77 percent of the vote on any issue short of "should we kill small children", and this one is widely considered to have been rigged, all the evidence points to that, see the sourced information at Crimean status referendum, 2014. It was illegal according to the Ukraine constitution, as the vote was not Ukraine-wide. Crimea is considered by virtually the entire world to be part of Ukraine, not Russia. And Crimea is most certainly occupied by Russian troops, there certainly is a military occupation, see 2014 Russian_military intervention in Ukraine. Crimea is under illegal Russian occupation, it is not part of Russia. XeroxKleenex (talk) 00:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Ribbet32: That is absolutely false in every respect. The Crimean referendum was irreproachable from a legal point of view. It was conducted in a fully constitutional manner, with the parliament taking all the required steps to convene the poll. More than 130 international observers from some 23 countries, including the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium and Austria, have confirmed that the voting procedure was in compliance with recognized standards. You are woefully misinformed; no "military occupation" exists in Crimea. And to be clear, neither Crimea nor Russia require the consent of an illegitimate fascist/neo-Nazi coup government; to say that anything to the contrary is democratic is simply mindboggling. Crimea is part of Russia and that's as clear as I can make it. 173.212.80.159 (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- The standard is international recognition- and the world has not recognized Crimea as part of Russia. And, by the way, "the democratic process" involves the consent of Ukraine, and does not involve a vote held under Russian military occupation. Ribbet32 (talk) 23:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- Ummm, how about asking the people of Crimea what they think. Oh wait, they were asked what they think, and 96.77 percent of them voted in favor of integration into the Russian Federation. What more needs to be said? Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine is no more, my friend, no matter what Obama or any other pro-western source would have you believe. Get over it. The people have spoken. Or maybe you don't believe in the democratic process? And by the way, Ukraine's current government seized control in a violent coup and are thus completely illegitimate. What they think on the subject is completely irrelevant. 173.212.80.159 (talk) 15:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)